News now reporting that Oldham athletic are going to offer him a contract . Yesterday it was a team in Malta Hib's today it's the Latics
They say they are prepared to weather the backlash
Which ever side of the argument you are on ,can he really ever play football again in our oh so politically correct country ?
It'll be interesting to see what happens after the inevitable backlash from Oldham's fans and sponsors.
Personally I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.
Quote from: Ludo on January 04, 2015, 16:01:43
It'll be interesting to see what happens after the inevitable backlash from Oldham's fans and sponsors.
Personally I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.
It's not just that , you will have crowds of anti rape protesters / womens rights etc causing havoc outside the grounds , fan protests inside and out possibly player boycotts and legal challenges
The club just don't realise what they are letting themselves in for , they just see the chance to get a half decent player on the cheap
About time he is allowed to get on with playing football and earning a living somewhere.
Deal looks like it might be off ,Oldham already bottling it
didn't know he played for City
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30678251
One of super Jim's later academy lads
Quote from: gavin on January 04, 2015, 18:53:38
About time he is allowed to get on with playing football and earning a living somewhere.
Not so sure about that
Club sponsor Verlin says it will terminate contract if they sign him
over 20,000 people have signed an online petition against it
Ride that one out Latics
Quote from: gavin on January 04, 2015, 18:53:38
About time he is allowed to get on with playing football and earning a living somewhere.
He was given a chance in life that millions could only dream of , fame and fortune etc
He blew it , big time
He doesn't have a god given right to play footy
he can always come back in to the real world and work for McDonalds / Tesco or the like
Quote from: andy1966 on January 05, 2015, 11:15:15
Club sponsor Verlin says it will terminate contract if they sign him
over 20,000 people have signed an online petition against it
Ride that one out Latics
over 20,000 eh, didnt know oldham had gates that good or is it just the same people that got involved for no reason like with sheff united
I would imagine the Nationwide BS would be reviewing sponsorship of Oldham in light of this.
This is football's inner workings at work, protecting the innocent (one of their own) and dismissing the courts of the land. They may have found him guilty after a fair and open hearing, but we find him innocent after a few backroom chats and after all he is a decent bloke.
Football yet again with its head buried in the sand. With the golden egg and privileged status comes responsibility.
Ched is guilty until proven otherwise and should keep his head down and rehabilitate in the background.
He can play football if he wants but any professional club taking him on needs to carefully consider the damage to their image and the message being sent to supporters, especially young supporters.
He has shown no remorse and therefore deserves no pity or privilege. He should await the outcome of his appeal before seeking the limelight again. In the meantime there are plenty of other jobs he can apply for. If his further appeal fails as his original appeal did, he needs to admit guilt publically as part of rehabilitating his behaviour and attitude.
Football needs to also examine its attitude and morals (if it has any).
The thing is if he was signing for Liverpool.rags,Spuds,arse or Chavs he had his chance with us would he be treated and looked at the same way.
meppen-walters scored the weekend, he is allowed to play and they know he actually did it
But I doubt meppen-Walters actually set out to do it.
either way he still did, doubt ched saying oops will stop the idiots jizzing over their daily mail in outrage
one slightly amusing thing here the clowns probably didnt think through, if they keep stopping ched from working they will have to support him on benefits
Quote from: goat on January 05, 2015, 12:27:13
Quote from: andy1966 on January 05, 2015, 11:15:15
Club sponsor Verlin says it will terminate contract if they sign him
over 20,000 people have signed an online petition against it
Ride that one out Latics
over 20,000 eh, didnt know oldham had gates that good or is it just the same people that got involved for no reason like with sheff united
It never mentioned if they were Oldham fans or just anti rape types
safe bet they are not oldham fans andy, wouldnt be suprised if you looked at it you would see sheff united crossed out and old ham scribbled in crayon
Quote from: goat on January 05, 2015, 16:24:30
safe bet they are not oldham fans andy, wouldnt be suprised if you looked at it you would see sheff united crossed out and old ham scribbled in crayon
No you wouldn't The Sheffield united one reached167,534
this one is only up to 27,582 but they were both started by the same woman
MEN poll on Latics signing him 35%Yes 65% No
sounds like she needs a hobby or a shag
Quote from: goat on January 05, 2015, 15:25:10
one slightly amusing thing here the clowns probably didnt think through, if they keep stopping ched from working they will have to support him on benefits
I don't think anyone's actually stopping him working, just most right thinking people don't want him in such a high profile position, (cue the "Oldham's not high profile" jokes) and I'd imagine he's a fair bit away from being eligible for benefits.
so basically any other job is the right level for rapists
again, clowns. not really right thinking are they, just jealous cunts
He could stand for parliament. Might fit in there.
Quote from: goat on January 05, 2015, 18:17:15
so basically any other job is the right level for rapists
again, clowns. not really right thinking are they, just jealous cunts
Jealous of Evans? I doubt it, I don't suppose anyone desires to be a rapist.
But that's part of the problem with a high profile job like a professional sportsman, people will look up to him, they'll cheer or chant his name when he scores and that, for me, is wrong. I'm sure there's a fairly anonymous job out there somewhere he could do, in fact I'm certain there's already rapists and murderers already doing mundane jobs every day of the week.
Quote from: goat on January 05, 2015, 18:17:15
so basically any other job is the right level for rapists
again, clowns. not really right thinking are they, just jealous cunts
Yes any other job that does not put him as a role model, certainly not working with young children or those considered vulnerable. He has clearly shown his predatory instincts but no remorse and no consideration for his victim.
As Ludo says I doubt anyone of sane mind and basic level morals would be jealous of such a vile character as a convicted rapist.
Quote from: Ludo on January 05, 2015, 18:56:14
Quote from: goat on January 05, 2015, 18:17:15
so basically any other job is the right level for rapists
again, clowns. not really right thinking are they, just jealous cunts
Jealous of Evans? I doubt it, I don't suppose anyone desires to be a rapist.
the fact he was paid a lot of money was the obvious point
Quote from: citoeast on January 05, 2015, 18:58:34
Quote from: goat on January 05, 2015, 18:17:15
so basically any other job is the right level for rapists
again, clowns. not really right thinking are they, just jealous cunts
Yes any other job that does not put him as a role model, certainly not working with young children or those considered vulnerable. He has clearly shown his predatory instincts but no remorse and no consideration for his victim.
As Ludo says I doubt anyone of sane mind and basic level morals would be jealous of such a vile character as a convicted rapist.
so what you are saying is people that work in mcdonalds or on a building site for example are the same level as rapists if its ok for them to all work together
Eh? You serious or just being a dick to court controversy.
no more than your cockish thing about footballer being some magical job that should be a privilege
been others convicted of rape that have been allowed back in the game, so why not ched too
I think more security checks are required on people who serve burgers. They might have gone for shit and not washed their hands.
but what if ched rapes the baps?
didnt think it through did they
Playing a high profile professional sport isn't a privilege but the adulation is. No one cares who puts the tins of beans on a tesco shelf, no one cheers when a bin man puts the rubbish in the back of his lorry, no one runs after a brickie looking for his autograph. But those things do happen to someone like Evans and if a rapist has gone back into a high profile team then that's wrong too; it's only because this case is current that it's Evans' name that being used.
Quote from: goat on January 05, 2015, 19:21:29
but what if ched rapes the baps?
didnt think it through did they
Or worse, wipes his finger on them.
and yet the world didnt end when marlon king and graham rix came back
also nobody has to run after ched for his name on a bit of paper, its not like its a law that you must act a fawning twot over someone that can play a bit. if people are not happy with him playing thats fine, dont cheer when he scores...see how long that lasts
It's no point arguing the toss it's obvious we're not going to agree on the subject and Evans isn't worth the time spent doing it.
this was turning into the same thread as last time
ched wasnt a bad player at that level but a couple of years out will have ruined him. if he signs for a club i could see him being binned after a season or two anyway
What is 20,000 signatures on an online petition? Fuck all. How many people have an internet connection and can click? Okay there's one or two exempt from Norn Ireland cos they can't manage it but otherwise it is a lot.
Footballers are not role models. If any child is brought up to think that anything that a footballer does is golden then it is the parents that should be locked up. Some footballers are role models, some are wankers - like any other profession, just the percentages vary. Of course every footballer that plays for the rags is a complete cnut though.
rumours that 3000 of them were citopest and his accounts were just made up now
Quote from: gavin on January 05, 2015, 21:27:27
What is 20,000 signatures on an online petition? Fuck all. How many people have an internet connection and can click? Okay there's one or two exempt from Norn Ireland cos they can't manage it but otherwise it is a lot.
Footballers are not role models. If any child is brought up to think that anything that a footballer does is golden then it is the parents that should be locked up. Some footballers are role models, some are wankers - like any other profession, just the percentages vary. Of course every footballer that plays for the rags is a complete cnut though.
spot on about the role models bit baldo, most kids are likely to grow out of that shit by the time they are 10 or something
Quote from: goat on January 05, 2015, 21:32:29
rumours that 3000 of them were citopest and his accounts were just made up now
:D
Quote from: andy1966 on January 05, 2015, 11:19:06
Quote from: gavin on January 04, 2015, 18:53:38
About time he is allowed to get on with playing football and earning a living somewhere.
He was given a chance in life that millions could only dream of , fame and fortune etc
He blew it , big time
He doesn't have a god given right to play footy
he can always come back in to the real world and work for McDonalds / Tesco or the like
So he's ok to serve our food but not play football?
People like you just see the £££'s and say ''It's not fair!'' just because he can earn a higher than average. You think it gives you the right to rule over the rest of his life!
He's been through the reform system, paid his dues, what right do we have to take away his right to work?
No ones taking away his right to work though that's the thing. It's just that most would rather not see him work in such a high profile environment.
It's easy to sit there an say that it's only the money that people see but that's bollox.
Perhaps 'role model' is the wrong phrase but footballers are looked up to by young kids, idolised even, and I'd much prefer a convicted rapist wasn't there for that to happen.
in the last thread you didnt even want him as a plumber or gas fitter or something
be easier all round if one of you knocked up a list of what he can do
Quote from: Swiss on January 05, 2015, 21:41:55
Quote from: andy1966 on January 05, 2015, 11:19:06
Quote from: gavin on January 04, 2015, 18:53:38
About time he is allowed to get on with playing football and earning a living somewhere.
He was given a chance in life that millions could only dream of , fame and fortune etc
He blew it , big time
He doesn't have a god given right to play footy
he can always come back in to the real world and work for McDonalds / Tesco or the like
So he's ok to serve our food but not play football?
People like you just see the £££'s and say ''It's not fair!'' just because he can earn a higher than average. You think it gives you the right to rule over the rest of his life!
He's been through the reform system, paid his dues, what right do we have to take away his right to work?
Strong words Swiss, pointing the accusing finger at Andy as if he has done wrong.
Lets talk straight this piece of scum Ched Evans raped an incapacitated women and is an unrepentant rapist.
Tthank God he is now paying the price for his vile behaviour and rightly so. He should not be allowed to do what he wants now he is still serving the final years of his sentence, on licence. He has forfeited his rights to privilege in society.
He should not be allowed any job which would make him a role model plain and simple. He should show genuine remorse which he hasn't, then rehabilitation may be possible, rehabilitation is not possible without genuine remorse.
If I was Oldham I would be seriously worried about this unrepentant rapist repeating his act and the implications for the club if that happens or if there is even an allegation it has happened.
He has to be reintegrated into society but not until he is rehabilitated and he is no longer a serious threat to members of society. He has shown no signs of rehabilitation just outrage that he was caught and convicted.
Oh Swiss he has not been reformed - that is clear, he has not paid his dues - he is on early release and licence and he has a right to find work but not
any work, e.g. with children or vulnerable people, not me says that its society and the law says that.
It is you who needs to rethink and stop blaming others like Andy.
but he wasnt barred from football, thats a massive point people miss
Quote from: goat on January 05, 2015, 22:04:46
in the last thread you didnt even want him as a plumber or gas fitter or something
be easier all round if one of you knocked up a list of what he can do
I said if he was a plumber I wouldn't employ him and I suspect many on here would either if they were honest.
Where would you draw a line. If he's ok to play for a league one team would he be ok to coach one, or coach an academy team, coach under 10s, coach a ladies team, be a physio?
I'm not making the rules but one thing I can say for certain is that rape is not to be taken lightly nor is it a matter to be joked about, in a lot of ways it's possibly a worse crime than murder and for that I can't accept that he might someday pop up live on tv flaunting his notoriety.
Perhaps those so passionate to stand up for rapist Ched would also demand the right for Harold Shipman to carry on as a GP when he gets out. After all he has an absolute right to work after rehabilitation.
Quote from: goat on January 05, 2015, 22:14:15
but he wasnt barred from football, thats a massive point people miss
No he has not but that does not make it right.
has he actually been "flaunting"? seems most of the noise is from people with fuck all to do with it looking to get something for themselves
today that miliband chipped in, a guy so inept hes managing to make ukip look an option, before that was clegg and someone that ran a bit and had a stand named after her in a sport she has nothing to do with
not like ched has been on the jungle show or owt
Quote from: citoeast on January 05, 2015, 22:19:24
Quote from: goat on January 05, 2015, 22:14:15
but he wasnt barred from football, thats a massive point people miss
No he has not but that does not make it right.
but it makes it legal, just as you were defending how right his trial was you have to accept that
There's a difference between legality and morality.
well you cant have it all ways can you
jesus, did anybody post about ched here while he was a city player?
Why not, the world would be better place if morality superseded legality.
Perhaps the biggest wrong is that sentencing for crimes like this are too lenient, after all if the wanker was still locked up we wouldn't need this discussion.
whos morality tho, this is a country that voted for cameron and has the daily mail. these people are fucked
Perhaps they should locked up as well.
fuckin hell, we agree on something
or make them play for oldham
Quote from: goat on January 05, 2015, 22:20:57
Quote from: citoeast on January 05, 2015, 22:19:24
Quote from: goat on January 05, 2015, 22:14:15
but he wasnt barred from football, thats a massive point people miss
No he has not but that does not make it right.
but it makes it legal, just as you were defending how right his trial was you have to accept that
I do accept Oldham can employ him and he can accept the offer, he could also become a cab driver, both worry me equally but not as much as his unrepentant behaviour.
He released a video on his campaign website calling it infidelity not rape. If that's not unrepentant and publicity seeking I am not sure what is.
on his website
where you have to search
if he is a media whore he is a pretty shit one
its not like hes on loose women plugging a book is it
"The attorney general’s office has confirmed the website, bankrolled by Karl Massey, the wealthy father of Evans’ girlfriend â€" now and at the time of the rape â€" Natasha, is itself under investigation."
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/jan/05/oldham-athletic-ched-evans-money-morals?CMP=share_btn_tw
Quote from: goat on January 05, 2015, 22:31:07
or make them play for oldham
Too much, no one deserves that
I know he's a cnut but he'd be a very stupid one if he apologised while he still has an appeal pending.
Anyone who books a night put in Rhyl surely isn't too bright.
bit im wondering about is shes changed her name 5 times, who the fuck was she telling?
did she text ched her new number or some shit
Website under investigation. So after all this time and attention they haven't found that much wrong with it yet. If it is factually incorrect then tell us why.
Website 'bankrolled' by a millionaire. You don't need to be a millionaire or indeed have much or even any bankroll to have a website.
They are entitled to have their say whatever anybody's judgement of the crime is.
Quote from: goat on January 05, 2015, 22:04:46
in the last thread you didnt even want him as a plumber or gas fitter or something
be easier all round if one of you knocked up a list of what he can do
There's a vacancy at Radio one" How's about that then "? ;D
Quote from: Swiss on January 05, 2015, 21:41:55
Quote from: andy1966 on January 05, 2015, 11:19:06
Quote from: gavin on January 04, 2015, 18:53:38
About time he is allowed to get on with playing football and earning a living somewhere.
He was given a chance in life that millions could only dream of , fame and fortune etc
He blew it , big time
He doesn't have a god given right to play footy
he can always come back in to the real world and work for McDonalds / Tesco or the like
So he's ok to serve our food but not play football?
People like you just see the £££'s and say ''It's not fair!'' just because he can earn a higher than average. You think it gives you the right to rule over the rest of his life!
He's been through the reform system, paid his dues, what right do we have to take away his right to work?
People like me ?
I gave an alternative to his high profile roll
unlike you , who appears once every couple of months on your great white steed , preaching trying to impose your own views to the rest of us
My point was if he wants to get back anywhere , he should do it away from the limelight
Andy doing a great pot, kettle, black routine there. Nice.
Wife to hubby on the phone ....... hang on love the plummer is here.... oh its ched evens talk later im just doing kids dinner.
if that was my wife i would rather him be on a football pitch.
Quote from: Lekos on January 06, 2015, 14:14:19
Andy doing a great pot, kettle, black routine there. Nice.
Great white steeds area bit like buses, none for ages then two at once :D
I gave an alternative to football , I used McDonald and Tesco as an example , he doesn't really have to work there
he could go where he wants to , or set up his own business
And if as reported , his girlfriend has such a wealthy father , why doesn't he give him a job?
surely he's not worried that his business might suffer if he does ?
As said Ched is still serving the second non custodial part of his sentence and there are loads of restrictions on what he can do and were he can work. Football is not a restricted job I presume.
Why any club would embrace the risk of taking him on and potential consequences of him reoffending in any form God only knows, but clubs are greedy always looking for a cheapie 'quality' player even if they have been proven time and again to be faulty goods. They just never learn the lessons from others mistakes, and from their own. Greed wins.
Football has long since lost all it's morals :D
He's won an appeal and will face a retrial.
It's all still a bit murky for me
My point is it's not for any of us to tell anyone where they can and can't work. It's up to the employer or the law.
could we swap him for bony, seeing as bony has been stealing money from city
Fraud is an ok crime to carry on playing football ;)