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citymancs => citymancs => Topic started by: Swiss on May 30, 2016, 10:39:33

Title: 15 man core squad
Post by: Swiss on May 30, 2016, 10:39:33
Soriano has "stated" that Pep will use a 15 man squad next season as he likes to work with a small trusted few. The shortfall will/may be made up from the youth!

https://www.clubcall.com/manchester-city/soriano-makes-small-squad-admission-1811656.html? (https://www.clubcall.com/manchester-city/soriano-makes-small-squad-admission-1811656.html?)

Apparently that's how he likes to work and did so at Bayern & Barce...

Looking at bayern's wiki squad it has 29... not sure how many are youth
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: goat on May 30, 2016, 11:46:37
but didnt they say city will be playing 4-4-3 and pelle has all different plans



why are we even hearing from these people? swales didnt bang on about squads
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: Swiss on May 30, 2016, 12:27:00
Ha ha! Banged on about the right things no....


I've been going over this in my head. Starting 11 plus 4 subs.

The rest are make weights like the sub keeper and the youth team.

A normal squad will be 25 men.
A standard set up could be considered as:
3 gk
4 cb
4 wb (L&R)
5 cm (Def & box2box)
5 am (wide and central)
4 str

So with 15, the core would look like

1 Gk
3 cb
3 wb
4 cm (cause pep loves a cm)
2 am
2 st

That means the 10 others that would make up the 25 man squad will not expect to play on a regular basis or at all barring injuries. But it would give the youth players access to train with the main squad.

What it also does is bring your spending down a little and stops your team having a load of old Bony sat around doing nothing.

The risk... injuries which we seem to keep on getting!
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: goat on May 30, 2016, 12:51:07
kids certain age dont count towards the squad limit either
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: KunDB on May 30, 2016, 12:59:10
Hard to see a squad of 15 surviving all season, with the number of games we play, no Christmas break and the intensity of almost every game (hence the injuries).

Just will not happen.
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: goat on May 30, 2016, 13:06:53
a 15 man core squad, not just using 15 for fucks sake

it means less chopping and changing
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: bry the guy on May 30, 2016, 14:16:08
Didnt Liecster only use 15 players last season?
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: Swiss on May 30, 2016, 16:54:50
Here's Bayerns BL squad appearances.

http://www.worldfootball.net/team_performance/bayern-muenchen/bundesliga-2015-2016/nach-einsatz/ (http://www.worldfootball.net/team_performance/bayern-muenchen/bundesliga-2015-2016/nach-einsatz/)

Compared to City PL apps

http://www.worldfootball.net/team_performance/manchester-city/eng-premier-league-2015-2016/nach-einsatz/ (http://www.worldfootball.net/team_performance/manchester-city/eng-premier-league-2015-2016/nach-einsatz/)

And Leicester for those tht want to compare. The foxes def had a preferred starting 11.

http://www.worldfootball.net/team_performance/leicester-city/eng-premier-league-2015-2016/ (http://www.worldfootball.net/team_performance/leicester-city/eng-premier-league-2015-2016/)
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: Ludo on May 30, 2016, 20:29:33
Quote from: goat on May 30, 2016, 11:46:37
but didnt they say city will be playing 4-4-3

If we played a keeper with that outfield formation it might give us a bit of an advantage I suppose.
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: Ludo on May 30, 2016, 20:34:01
Does the Bundesliega or La Liga have a League Cup to contend with? And I know there's 4 fewer league games in Germany he he might have got away with a smaller squad.
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: Swiss on May 30, 2016, 21:02:59
yer, one cup and their Charity shield (Or whatever it's called now).

Bayern won the cup a week ago.

Quote from: goat on May 30, 2016, 11:46:37
but didnt they say city will be playing 4-4-3 and pelle has all different plans


4-3-3

With a core of the below incorporating current squad and players pep want in. Two season evolution or a complete revolution!

1 Gk
3 cb
3 wb
4 cm (cause pep loves a cm)
2 am
2 st
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm at a loss as to who will stay or go, hard to call!
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: Swiss on May 30, 2016, 21:09:44
Current Squad List


No.      Position   Player
1   England   GK   Joe Hart
13   Argentina   GK   Willy Caballero
29   England   GK   Richard Wright

3   France   DF   Bacary Sagna
4   Belgium   DF   Vincent Kompany (captain)
5   Argentina   DF   Pablo Zabaleta
11   Serbia   DF   Aleksandar Kolarov
30   Argentina   DF   Nicolás Otamendi
20   France   DF   Eliaquim Mangala
22   France   DF   Gaël Clichy
26   Argentina   DF   Martín Demichelis

6   Brazil    MF   Fernando
7   England   MF   Raheem Sterling
8   France   MF   Samir Nasri
42   Ivory Coast   MF   Yaya Touré
â€"   Australia   MF   Luke Brattan
21   Spain     MF   David Silva
15   Spain     MF   Jesús Navas
17   Belgium   MF   Kevin De Bruyne
18   England   MF   Fabian Delph
25   Brazil           MF   Fernandinho

72   Nigeria   FW   Kelechi Iheanacho
14   Ivory Coast   FW   Wilfried Bony
10   Argentina   FW   Sergio Agüero
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: Swiss on May 30, 2016, 21:40:48
What I think will happen

Quote from: Swiss on May 30, 2016, 21:09:44
Current Squad List


No.      Position   Player
1   England   GK   Joe Hart (Stay)
13   Argentina   GK   Willy Caballero (Stay, what's the point in spending big on a Deuce!)
29   England   GK   Richard Wright (Retired - replace with Youth)

3   France   DF   Bacary Sagna (Sell)
4   Belgium   DF   Vincent Kompany (captain) (Stay)
5   Argentina   DF   Pablo Zabaleta (Stay)
11   Serbia   DF   Aleksandar Kolarov (Sell)
30   Argentina   DF   Nicolás Otamendi (Stay)
20   France   DF   Eliaquim Mangala (Sell)
22   France   DF   Gaël Clichy (Sell)
26   Argentina   DF   Martín Demichelis (Let go)

6   Brazil    MF   Fernando (Sell)
7   England   MF   Raheem Sterling (Stay)
8   France   MF   Samir Nasri (Sell)
42   Ivory Coast   MF   Yaya Touré (Sell)
â€"   Australia   MF   Luke Brattan (Sell)
21   Spain     MF   David Silva (Stay)
15   Spain     MF   Jesús Navas (Sell)
17   Belgium   MF   Kevin De Bruyne (Stay)
18   England   MF   Fabian Delph (Stay)
25   Brazil           MF   Fernandinho (Stay)

72   Nigeria   FW   Kelechi Iheanacho (Stay)
14   Ivory Coast   FW   Wilfried Bony (Sell)
10   Argentina   FW   Sergio Agüero (Stay)

Leaves a 12 man squad (11 core due to keeper) like:

No.      Position   Player
1   England   GK   Joe Hart (Stay)
13   Argentina   GK   Willy Caballero (Stay, what's the point in spending big on a Deuce!)

4   Belgium   DF   Vincent Kompany (captain) (Stay)
5   Argentina   DF   Pablo Zabaleta (Stay)
30   Argentina   DF   Nicolás Otamendi (Stay)

7   England   MF   Raheem Sterling (Stay)
21   Spain     MF   David Silva (Stay)
17   Belgium   MF   Kevin De Bruyne (Stay)
18   England   MF   Fabian Delph (Stay)
25   Brazil           MF   Fernandinho (Stay)

72   Nigeria   FW   Kelechi Iheanacho (Stay)
10   Argentina   FW   Sergio Agüero (Stay)


Therefore I think we'll buy (or promote from youth):

1CB
2WB
2CM
1AM
1 ST

(Press speculating we'll buy 5 to 8 players)

That leaves a 19 man squad (18 core) for year 1 with up to 6 youth players.
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: goat on May 30, 2016, 22:03:22
no richard wright? 
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: Ludo on May 30, 2016, 22:29:00
He retired a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: goat on May 30, 2016, 22:36:57
he could have retired a few years ago for all hes played
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: Swiss on May 30, 2016, 22:41:33
He's taken up a coaching role with the academy, so still on the pay role
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: goat on May 30, 2016, 22:44:27
fuckin hell, landed on his feet that bloke
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: KunDB on May 30, 2016, 22:54:21
I simply cannot see us survive in the PL using a core of 15.

Yes youth will no doubt supplement and finally be used in the league cu games, maybe even early rounds of fa cup. But unless he buys armour plated players injuries will mean a lot of the time we will be fielding youth players in significant games.
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: nimrod on May 30, 2016, 23:42:07
Quote from: goat on May 30, 2016, 22:44:27
fuckin hell, landed on his feet that bloke

He didnt do as well as Bony though in the overall scheme of things
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: goat on May 31, 2016, 02:36:36
not sure some people get the concept of a core group of  15


you know a teams spine right.... thats usually 4 players, thats less than 15 and some go batshit about a team needing a settled  one

the spine tend to play week in and week out depending on fitness, its still less than 15


the 15 will  be in the match squad week in and week out, doesnt mean all 15 will start the game because you can still only pick 11

the 15 will be rotated within the core group of 15 so they will be as fresh as any player will be  and any that are not as fresh will be replaced by one of the players not in the core 15

it doesnt mean only 15 will be picked from and it doesnt mean the only replacements will be kids. shite like delph , navas and anyone else nobody is mug enough to buy will still get a game
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: Swiss on May 31, 2016, 20:10:20
I was high on Flu meds the last few days, have I confused people?!

We're still looking at a 25 man squad.

I expect over the next few years we'll see a transition to "non-core" Solid, if unspectacular players. Those that don't get upset they're not playing week in, week out & don't come with big ego's. But can come in and do a job when injuries occur.

Mixed with a sprinkling of players who have come through the academy.


I just checked out Barce, looks like they had 12 players with 20 (or more) starts

Also, I didn't realise Ter-Stegen wasn't first choice.
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: KunDB on June 01, 2016, 14:32:01
Quote from: goat on May 31, 2016, 02:36:36
not sure some people get the concept of a core group of  15


you know a teams spine right.... thats usually 4 players, thats less than 15 and some go batshit about a team needing a settled  one

the spine tend to play week in and week out depending on fitness, its still less than 15


the 15 will  be in the match squad week in and week out, doesnt mean all 15 will start the game because you can still only pick 11

the 15 will be rotated within the core group of 15 so they will be as fresh as any player will be  and any that are not as fresh will be replaced by one of the players not in the core 15

it doesnt mean only 15 will be picked from and it doesnt mean the only replacements will be kids. shite like delph , navas and anyone else nobody is mug enough to buy will still get a game

Thanks for that dummies guide. Most helpful. Ok I get it.
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: goat on June 01, 2016, 15:10:02
no problem, happy to help
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: Lekos on June 01, 2016, 15:26:41
 :D
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: nimrod on June 01, 2016, 22:01:48
Quote from: goat on May 31, 2016, 02:36:36
not sure some people get the concept of a core group of  15


you know a teams spine right.... thats usually 4 players, thats less than 15 and some go batshit about a team needing a settled  one

the spine tend to play week in and week out depending on fitness, its still less than 15


the 15 will  be in the match squad week in and week out, doesnt mean all 15 will start the game because you can still only pick 11

the 15 will be rotated within the core group of 15 so they will be as fresh as any player will be  and any that are not as fresh will be replaced by one of the players not in the core 15

it doesnt mean only 15 will be picked from and it doesnt mean the only replacements will be kids. shite like delph , navas and anyone else nobody is mug enough to buy will still get a game

Sounds a bit confusing, reminds me of the Monty Python classroom instructions, not sure all our players will get it 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXw7LYWNi5E
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: KunDB on June 01, 2016, 23:06:46
Well, now that's all sorted. Does anyone remember 2012 and the firepower at our disposal Aguero, Tevez, Balotelli and Dzeko.

Surely no one would turn down having four first class strikers at our disposal. Got me thinking how they would have fitted in to a 15 man core squad and what ours could be next season.

Currently we have Sergio and Kelechi, and Pep will surely buy another experienced top class striker, possibly even two.

The midfield we have a fair bit of talent already with Silva, DeBruyne and Fernandinho then maybe Raheem and Nasri. Then Pep is buying a few more midfielders hopefully to put a bit of steel in our midfield.

Hopefully Pep will acquire a whole new back four to support VK, if ever fit again.

That's the 15 core players then.

Potentially, a lot of (13) other unhappy non-core players unless we have a big summer discount sale; Bony, Clichy, Sagna, Otamendi, Mangala, Kolarov, Zabaleta, Delph, Fernando, Navas, Yaya, Delph, and Jovetic.




Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: goat on June 01, 2016, 23:36:48
jovetic is still ours?
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: lee on June 02, 2016, 08:06:23
14.5 million euro's inter paid for jov
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: goat on June 02, 2016, 10:52:35
strange bloke, looked like rocky dennis and was probably banging his sister
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: KunDB on June 03, 2016, 11:41:17
Technically, Jovetic is still ours, an 18 month loan with a conditional clause of some sort - presumably to buy him outright.
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: goat on June 03, 2016, 12:10:38
so whos is dzeko?
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: Swiss on June 03, 2016, 19:40:27
Roma's, He met the permanent buy clause in his loan last October according to wiki.

Something similar with Jovetic, who is officially Inter's btw, not ours.

On 31 July 2015, Jovetić joined Serie A side Inter on an 18-month loan deal, for â,¬2.5 million, with a conditional obligation of redemption for â,¬14.5 million, if Inter was ranked 17th or better in December 2016. Jovetić signed a four-year contract.
Title: Re: 15 man core squad
Post by: gavin on June 04, 2016, 12:28:04
Whether you put a figure on it or not there is always likely to be groups of players. As was said earlier, there is a spine of crucial players, players who always play when fit, players who play a lot in the league and cups but aren't necessarily always first choices.  That would probably be 15 or so. Then you have fringe players, who play a bit in the league and a lot in the cups, and some who only play in the cups when there's a load of injuries that make up the rest of your whole squad. It would be impossible to keep twenty five top players happy. It is all about having a balanced squad to cover for injuries whilst not having too much bad feeling when people aren't playing.