cant see this bring up any insane views at all so go on
in for me
In. It is mostly a good thing and there's no use in trying to barricade out the problems of the rest of Europe and the world.
the way its going with the tory lot we will be asking romania for 30p for a cup of tea soon anyway
Quote from: goat on May 30, 2016, 12:59:08
cant see this bring up any insane views at all so go on
in for me
Emilie Ullerup? Def in!
join the queue
In.
I dont get a vote but if I did Id vote out
Out. Despite the promises of the Heath government about the "harmonisation" of duties we still pay more for fags and booze here.
The EEC, or whatever it called it'self back in the day was designed to favour French and German agriculture. Anyone remember British lamb exports?? Free market my arse. Frog eating lamb incinerating bastards.
Quote from: nimrod on May 30, 2016, 23:01:30
I dont get a vote but if I did Id vote out
could have guessed that after your top gear thread :D
Quote from: nimrod on May 30, 2016, 23:01:30
I dont get a vote but if I did Id vote out
you can vote, you need to register with the British embassy in Australia, having duel citizenship, I can vote, the Embassy in New York sent me the paper work more than a month ago.
I vote out!
you kind of voted out when you fucked up all the tea
they giving yanks a vote on this?
no the Americans have no vote, only those British ex-pats that have registered and those who have duel citizenship that have registerd. I might think about living in Manchester if the out vote wins, instead of weekly visits or a month stay at a time.
Merica wants the UK to stay in so we can push their agenda over TTIP. Yet another reason to vote out IMO.
Quote from: Tori on May 30, 2016, 23:16:13
you can vote, you need to register with the British embassy in Australia, having duel citizenship, I can vote, the Embassy in New York sent me the paper work more than a month ago.
I vote out!
nah your wrong
if youve lived as an expat for 15 years or over - no vote
Quote from: Tori on May 30, 2016, 23:25:17
no the Americans have no vote, only those British ex-pats that have registered and those who have duel citizenship that have registerd. I might think about living in Manchester if the out vote wins, instead of weekly visits or a month stay at a time.
didnt you say you were from new york? not really the same place as old york
Quote from: goat on May 30, 2016, 23:14:18
could have guessed that after your top gear thread :D
Im just in love with Boris
Man-love thing :D
Quote from: Tori on May 30, 2016, 23:25:17
no the Americans have no vote, only those British ex-pats that have registered and those who have duel citizenship that have registerd. I might think about living in Manchester if the out vote wins, instead of weekly visits or a month stay at a time.
if you are classified as an ex-pat you cannot vote in this election. Check the rules.
Quote from: nimrod on May 30, 2016, 23:27:48
nah your wrong
if youve lived as an expat for 15 years or over - no vote
I did not know that, when I read the documents sent to me, my understanding was every British ex-pat with an N.I. number could vote if registered. Clearly you have not paid any Tax to the British government for 15 years......lol :P
Quote from: reddishblue on May 30, 2016, 23:32:19
if you are classified as an ex-pat you cannot vote in this election. Check the rules.
I am not an ex-pat, you seem to reading different rules to what I have. I have duel citizenship and pay a lot of tax to the government. so I am having my vote and registered.
Further, I know two ex-pats from Manchester (both City fans) that have been in NYC for more than 15 years and they have both registered. I know you and nimrod are both correct and so am I. I ask, is the British government doing some gerrymandering here to get out of Europe?
Post the documents you received here and one of us will read them for you.
What are your thoughts on the TTIP proposal as you are in America? An informed opinion would be appreciated.
Unsustainable, I just briefly scanned over the proposal, but what i can see is that the Americans will not go for are: stronger employment laws, most states have a fire-at-will policy, which means a worker can get fired for anything. In addition, many workers do not receive sick pay in any form, so the upshot is; if i don't like you, I can fire you. Workers in America have very few employment rights. Also the food, Europe has a better regulated food industry with a lot of chemicals and additives taken out, whereas, in America these chemical and additives that are related to causing cancer can still be found in food. There are other things in the proposal, that just won't work. also, if fuck-face Trump wins the presidency, he has already stated he will impose bigger Tariffs on imports. In addition, the Americans won't buy into the environmental proposal as it will cost too much money, although over the past 10 years America has made progress in this area, but business will not spend the money.
This country is backward in many ways compared to Europe, and now Trump wants it to be more isolationist than before.
TTIP will not work for America.
Quote from: Tori on May 31, 2016, 00:11:24
Unsustainable, I just briefly scanned over the proposal, but what i can see is that the Americans will not go for are: stronger employment laws, most states have a fire-at-will policy, which means a worker can get fired for anything. In addition, many workers do not receive sick pay in any form, so the upshot is; if i don't like you, I can fire you. Workers in America have very few employment rights. Also the food, Europe has a better regulated food industry with a lot of chemicals and additives taken out, whereas, in America these chemical and additives that are related to causing cancer can still be found in food. There are other things in the proposal, that just won't work. also, if fuck-face Trump wins the presidency, he has already stated he will impose bigger Tariffs on imports. In addition, the Americans won't buy into the environmental proposal as it will cost too much money, although over the past 10 years America has made progress in this area, but business will not spend the money.
This country is backward in many ways compared to Europe, and now Trump wants it to be more isolationist than before.
TTIP will not work for America.
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Quote from: Tori on May 31, 2016, 00:11:24
Unsustainable, I just briefly scanned over the proposal, but what i can see is that the Americans will not go for are: stronger employment laws, most states have a fire-at-will policy, which means a worker can get fired for anything. In addition, many workers do not receive sick pay in any form, so the upshot is; if i don't like you, I can fire you. Workers in America have very few employment rights. Also the food, Europe has a better regulated food industry with a lot of chemicals and additives taken out, whereas, in America these chemical and additives that are related to causing cancer can still be found in food. There are other things in the proposal, that just won't work. also, if fuck-face Trump wins the presidency, he has already stated he will impose bigger Tariffs on imports. In addition, the Americans won't buy into the environmental proposal as it will cost too much money, although over the past 10 years America has made progress in this area, but business will not spend the money.
This country is backward in many ways compared to Europe, and now Trump wants it to be more isolationist than before.
TTIP will not work for America.
TTIP is designed to work for Corporation America Inc.
I vote America should keep their fucking noses out of it. The majority of the populace have no fucking idea where any country in Europe is anyway.
Quote from: reddishblue on May 30, 2016, 23:45:20
An informed opinion would be appreciated.
stop taking the piss in my thread
seeing as the outers will be mail readers
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FFS...
Quote from: reddishblue on May 31, 2016, 00:46:38
I vote America should keep their fucking noses out of it. The majority of the populace have no fucking idea where any country in Europe is anyway.
Urr, in Europe? :D
just noticed that post on mail site was by a yank :D
out for me..brexit me up
please take some time out to watch brexit the movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0
Quote from: goat on May 31, 2016, 13:58:16
seeing as the outers will be mail readers
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so your a Mail reader eh ?
am i fuck, was on my twitter
Quote from: nimrod on May 31, 2016, 23:04:27
so your a Mail reader eh ?
So 'You're' a tabloid reader?
Quote from: reddishblue on May 31, 2016, 23:22:10
So 'You're' a tabloid reader?
I went to Openshaw mate, what do you expect
only read the guardian , thats shit an all now
Quote from: goat on May 31, 2016, 23:42:37
only read the guardian , thats shit an all now
at least you have newspapers over there
those of us who simply think the EU is an unreformable, corrupt and unaccountable body often get branded as nut jobs racists and xenophobes.
brexit and feck the eu..bunch of racist lefty nutters
instead of racist nazi nutters on the right?
Quote from: nimrod on May 31, 2016, 23:58:58
an unreformable, corrupt and unaccountable body
Great description of the House of Lords
to be fair either way we are fucked
out and we get ukip and the mentalist branch of the tory cunts turning us into armenia
in and cameron and gideon sell our kids to their mates
Quote from: goat on June 01, 2016, 15:17:17
instead of racist nazi nutters on the right?
I laugh daily at the use of the term right-wing ... it used to mean you supported a military takeover of civilian govt. ... now it means you're normal, would like to get married some day, have a couple kids, and enjoy life a little in YOUR nation, under rule-of-law and some sense of right 'n wrong ... and thus you are a neo-nazi, fascist, selfish, racist, sexist pig of the highest order. The world has truly gone mad, and language has become utterly perverted. Yeah, even 'survival' instincts now makes one bad.
I can't believe the most basic idea of group survival is labeled as "right-wing".
out of interest what do you really think will change if we leave the e.u?
Lee, don't you live in Italy?
then you got the far right who are just racist and then you got the far left like loony lefty ken livingstone the nazi wanker
Quote from: goat on June 01, 2016, 15:29:12
out of interest what do you really think will change if we leave the e.u?
we wont be part of the 4th reich :)
Quote from: Lekos on June 01, 2016, 15:30:12
Lee, don't you live in Italy?
no mate..back in england now..have been for the past 2 years ..thank fook :)
Fair enough. Thought you'd gone all Sean Connery on us.
hahaha
dreading doing a dummies guide on this for the pest
theres a few dummies on here mate :)
noticed
One of the major claims of the Brexit brigade is that leaving the EU will in some way prevent an unelected EU commission from creating new laws that might adversely affect Britain. Yet they seem happy enough for an unelected House of Lords to do exactly that while not realising that, although unelected, the EU commission can't make any laws at all.
Another brick in their argument is immigration yet, a. Most immigrants in Britain come from outside the EU so leaving won't affect that and b. There are more British immigrants leaving aboard than EU immigrants living in Britain. Maybe they could do a swap.
not noticed answer to this but all those ex pats living in the likes of spain.... if we leave e.u will they all be sent back?
Quote from: goat on June 01, 2016, 17:45:04
not noticed answer to this but all those ex pats living in the likes of spain.... if we leave e.u will they all be sent back?
terry venables is never coming back mate...never.. :)
IN
OUT. The EU is a dictatorship, not a democracy. Too many draconian/silly rules and regulations. They also take too much money from the UK and are a very corrupt org.
not at all like the conservatives then
Aye we're an example to democracies everywhere, an unelected second chamber and a head of state decided by an accident of birth.
Quote from: bannblue on June 02, 2016, 15:02:39
OUT. The EU is a dictatorship, not a democracy. Too many draconian/silly rules and regulations. They also take too much money from the UK and are a very corrupt org.
It would be interesting to know what these draconian rules are?
Quote from: bannblue on June 02, 2016, 15:02:39
OUT. The EU is a dictatorship, not a democracy. Too many draconian/silly rules and regulations. They also take too much money from the UK and are a very corrupt org.
All governments are corrupt (even Labour), all can be bought in some way, mostly by political donations from fat cats. The best solution is to have less levels of government, less governments.
How much does this EU government cost the taxpayer ?
Here in Oz we have 3 levels of government, local, state & federal, I live in the state of Queensland which has a government that costs us nearly $60 billion, a level of government that we surely dont need.
The worst thing about the EU is that its entirely un-elected and unaccountable , why would anyone WANT or choose to have another level of government thereby increasing the potential for corruption by MP's/officials that are answerable to no-one , well at least not to voters. If elected politicians are mildly corrupt imagine how corrupt an un-elected one can be.
Europe can be a trading zone without the EU, it doesnt need another level of government to govern it, just have regular meetings by trade ministers/heads of state between the countries to discuss trade and come to agreements on things like tariffs.
Also you need to have control of your borders, when I came to live in Oz my background was thoroughly checked, if I was found to be some sort of criminal I wouldnt have got near the place, (and quite rightly so) any country needs to have the right not to allow criminals in, and its not just people from Europe, there are many many thousands of people living in other countries like Oz, USA, Canada, South Africa etc who have dual citizenship and hold a European passport.
The EU is a gravy train for failed politicians. Kinnock (senior) is an excellent example of this. Kinnock (junior) will hopes he gets there too.
The cnut spent 15 years there earning far more than any prime minister. I am totally unaware of anything he did during that time that was of any benefit to the UK. I'm fairly sure though he has a decent pension.
Quote from: reddishblue on June 02, 2016, 22:51:16
The cnut spent 15 years there earning far more than any prime minister. I am totally unaware of anything he did during that time that was of any benefit to the UK. I'm fairly sure though he has a decent pension.
His expense account is probably higher than his salary
1st class air travel, 5 & 6* Hotels, expensive meals etc etc
Massive costs
Quote from: goat on June 01, 2016, 15:29:12
out of interest what do you really think will change if we leave the e.u?
The price of smuggled amber leaf will go up.
Quote from: nimrod on June 02, 2016, 22:17:54
The worst thing about the EU is that its entirely un-elected and unaccountable
It may have escaped your attention since your migration to Australia but we do have elections to the European Parliament and hence that parliament is accountable to the electorate.
As for what it costs the taxpayer, we pay the EU least than half a percent of GDP, about 10 times less than is spent on the defence budget.
Quote from: reddishblue on June 02, 2016, 23:28:23
The price of smuggled amber leaf will go up.
Ive heard Aldi prices will go up
Quote from: reddishblue on June 02, 2016, 22:51:16
The cnut spent 15 years there earning far more than any prime minister. I am totally unaware of anything he did during that time that was of any benefit to the UK. I'm fairly sure though he has a decent pension.
A few well placed Google searches will tell you about some of the things Kinnock achieved while at the EU.
For example - he oversaw the difficult restructuring of EU official pay scales to reduce wages and over generous pension plans. Thus cutting costs...
This made him unpopular within the EU but he was implementing a policy dictated to him the member states via the Council. Accountability in the EU? Well fancy that.
Don't try and throw facts into the argument Rowley, most of the Brexit brigade are still relying on Nigel Farage for that.
Quote from: Ludo on June 02, 2016, 23:55:50
Don't try and throw facts into the argument Rowley, most of the Brexit brigade are still relying on Nigel Farage for that.
Haha exactly the kind of snobbish, insulting, boring, arrogant, stupid comment expected
Yes all outers are racist, misogynist, flag waving Nazi's and we all worship Nigel Farage and UKIP
Quote from: Rowley Birkin QC on June 02, 2016, 23:44:26
A few well placed Google searches will tell you about some of the things Kinnock achieved while at the EU.
For example - he oversaw the difficult restructuring of EU official pay scales to reduce wages and over generous pension plans. Thus cutting costs...
This made him unpopular within the EU but he was implementing a policy dictated to him the member states via the Council. Accountability in the EU? Well fancy that.
No wonder they fucked him off to the House of Lords.
Quote from: nimrod on June 03, 2016, 00:19:56
all outers are racist, misogynist, flag waving Nazi's and we all worship Nigel Farage and UKIP
That's a bit harsh but if the shoe fits....
But seriously you have to admit that most of the rhetoric from the Brexit side is based on immigration and giving too much money and power to those 'Johnny Foreigners'
Any seemingly rich and successful country will be a target for economic migrants - take Australia as an example - but those migrants that come to Britain have been shown to contribute more in tax than they receive in benefits. Since 2000 that figure is estimated to be around 33% more. Those younger economic migrants tend to be better educated and more qualified than their British counterparts and so tend to find jobs more easily. There's an argument that they keep wages low but they're still subject to the same employment laws as British workers. Laws which by the way have been made stronger by European legislation.
The cost in contributions to Europe from the UK is around £2.50 per week for every British subject which isn't a lot when you consider the benefits it has to British businesses both small and large with unfettered trading to a huge market right on its doorstep. Free health care inside the EU and freedom of movement inside the EU even though we're not members of Schengen; although the UK does have a Schengen style agreement with Ireland so it might make the closed borders approach a moot argument.
BREXIT
i see cameron made a complete arse of himself on telly last night..fancy having that clown as head of the IN lot :D
Quote from: reddishblue on June 02, 2016, 23:28:23
The price of smuggled amber leaf will go up.
and drum will become a thing of the past
Quote from: Ludo on June 03, 2016, 08:57:31
That's a bit harsh but if the shoe fits....
But seriously you have to admit that most of the rhetoric from the Brexit side is based on immigration and giving too much money and power to those 'Johnny Foreigners'
Any seemingly rich and successful country will be a target for economic migrants - take Australia as an example - but those migrants that come to Britain have been shown to contribute more in tax than they receive in benefits. Since 2000 that figure is estimated to be around 33% more. Those younger economic migrants tend to be better educated and more qualified than their British counterparts and so tend to find jobs more easily. There's an argument that they keep wages low but they're still subject to the same employment laws as British workers. Laws which by the way have been made stronger by European legislation.
The cost in contributions to Europe from the UK is around £2.50 per week for every British subject which isn't a lot when you consider the benefits it has to British businesses both small and large with unfettered trading to a huge market right on its doorstep. Free health care inside the EU and freedom of movement inside the EU even though we're not members of Schengen; although the UK does have a Schengen style agreement with Ireland so it might make the closed borders approach a moot argument.
total bollocks ludo..i dont know anyone who is voting out because of immagration...some of us dont want to ruled by a bunch of cunts in brussels..can you name me the 5 leading heads in the EU?
another silly fooker called harriet harman does not even know!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDsgfhXBJ74
Quote from: lee on June 03, 2016, 13:40:32
BREXIT
i see cameron made a complete arse of himself on telly last night..fancy having that clown as head of the IN lot :D
Cameron is a wanker, no getting around that, but the Brexit lot have Boris 'three bananas' Johnson, Nigel 'one of the people' Farage and Neil 'likes talking at fascist events and giving Nazi salutes' Hamilton.
Sheeeeit.
Oh, and Donald Trump too.
Seriously. If anyone is on the same side as that lot they need to give their heads a massive wobble.
Quote from: lee on June 03, 2016, 13:40:32
BREXIT
i see cameron made a complete arse of himself on telly last night..fancy having that clown as head of the IN lot :D
boris....
Quote from: lee on June 03, 2016, 14:00:46
total bollocks ludo..i dont know anyone who is voting out because of immagration...some of us dont want to ruled by a bunch of cunts in brussels..can you name me the 5 leading heads in the EU?
That's the point lee you're not being ruled by Brussels not matter what you think or are told. The vast majority of Britain's laws are made in Britain, overseen and passed by an unelected House of Lords.
The five leading heads in the EU? Depends on what you think of as the EU, do you mean the 5 leading heads of state, 5 MEPs or 5 members of the EU commission. I couldn't name 5 members of the current cabinet to be honest
As for immigration not being a central tranche of the Brexit group you've been asleep for the past few months.
Quote from: lee on June 03, 2016, 14:00:46
...some of us dont want to ruled by a bunch of cunts in brussels..
But you're not being ruled by a bunch of cunts in Brussels. All they do is add an extra layer of regulation and standards to existing member state laws. The only people ruling you lot are in Westminster.
Take the once appalling state of British beaches for example. EU regulation forced Britain to bring it's filthy beaches up to the same standards as the rest of Europe. 30 years on and people in Britain now take their clean beaches for granted - but they have the EU to thank for it.
fuck it im going back to breitbart 8)
:)
Quote from: Ludo on June 03, 2016, 14:42:07
That's the point lee you're not being ruled by Brussels not matter what you think or are told. The vast majority of Britain's laws are made in Britain, overseen and passed by an unelected House of Lords.
The five leading heads in the EU? Depends on what you think of as the EU, do you mean the 5 leading heads of state, 5 MEPs or 5 members of the EU commission. I couldn't name 5 members of the current cabinet to be honest
As for immigration not being a central tranche of the Brexit group you've been asleep for the past few months.
no im wide awake pal...im voting out because i think we can prosper better on our own like the swiss who leave us in their wake when it comes to trading with the outside world..i run a business and a very successful one at that and i know i can make more money without being tied to the eu..i dont give a fuck about how many muslims,irish,poles arrive..its not about that for some of us...your painting me with the same brush as the lot who are obsessed with immigration..im not pal so get yr fuckin facts right
been hanging out with hucknall and collins too much mate
nah they dont do any dwugs them 2 clowns :D
little warning, on about the swiss there....norway isnt in e.u and its pricey as fuck, boring as fuck and the people are cunts
yeh i had my suspisions about tony
I've no doubt Lee knows what he's talking about when he says his particular business will be better off outside the EU, but I'm much less confident how the rest of (what's left of) the British economy will go.
The yanks have already made it clear that they will not negotiate a free trade agreement with an isolated UK - and what does Britain have left to sell anyway? Financial services? There's no guarantee that even that great generator of privileged wealth, the London financial sector, will stick around if they get a better offer to operate from out of somewhere like Frankfurt.
i guess the yanks will change their tune when trump becomes boss..was barry who said all that shit anyway ken
I run my own business as well and, without getting all sweary and personal, it's benefitted from EU legislation.
Switerland may not be the best analogy given its relatively small population and a banking sector that accounts for well over 10% of its GDP. Even with that in mind Swiss exports into the EU are subject to the same regulations and standards that would apply to British exports.
As Ludo says, Switzerland and Norway, in order to trade freely with the EU without being members, have to implement a substantial chunk of the EU regulations without having much say in how those regulations are worded, unlike member states who can debate them in the EU parliament or in the Council of Europe. They also have to accept free movement of labour which is why it was amusing to hear Brexit using them as examples of how the UK could operate outside the EU. Norway has a higher level of EU immigration than the UK.
Aside from my dislike of some of the figureheads of Brexit the most annoying aspect has been their attempt to make such an important decision into a single-issue debate about immigration when the economic impact should be at the forefront of debates.
Quote from: Rowley Birkin QC on June 02, 2016, 23:44:26
A few well placed Google searches will tell you about some of the things Kinnock achieved while at the EU.
For example - he oversaw the difficult restructuring of EU official pay scales to reduce wages and over generous pension plans. Thus cutting costs...
This made him unpopular within the EU but he was implementing a policy dictated to him the member states via the Council. Accountability in the EU? Well fancy that.
The salaries within the EU are still extortionate. So a fail for me.
Quote from: Ludo on June 03, 2016, 16:55:32
I run my own business as well and, without getting all sweary and personal, it's benefitted from EU legislation.
Switerland may not be the best analogy given its relatively small population and a banking sector that accounts for well over 10% of its GDP. Even with that in mind Swiss exports into the EU are subject to the same regulations and standards that would apply to British exports.
bravo bravo....
Quote from: reddishblue on June 03, 2016, 20:36:43
The salaries within the EU are still extortionate. So a fail for me.
An MEP probably earns as much in a year as Yaya earns in 3-4 days.
Quote from: Ludo on June 03, 2016, 21:35:19
Damned, with faint praise.
hardly..im taking the piss
Quote from: lee on June 03, 2016, 15:44:52
no im wide awake pal...im voting out because i think we can prosper better on our own like the swiss who leave us in their wake when it comes to trading with the outside world..i run a business and a very successful one at that and i know i can make more money without being tied to the eu..i dont give a fuck about how many muslims,irish,poles arrive..its not about that for some of us...your painting me with the same brush as the lot who are obsessed with immigration..im not pal so get yr fuckin facts right
your wasting your breath lee, the Ludo brand of tunnel vision syndrome see's us all as this
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could be swapped with Nigel Farage of course
Quote from: lee on June 03, 2016, 21:36:31
hardly..im taking the piss
Ermmm.... I sorta guessed that.
Quote from: nimrod on June 03, 2016, 21:47:53
your wasting your breath lee, the Ludo brand of tunnel vision syndrome see's us all as this
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could be swapped with Nigel Farage of course
Don't know why you're so bothered to be honest. You live in Australia and your kids and grandchildren will problem always live there. My vote to stay in isn't simply for me but for my kids and grandchildren.
As for the right wing analogy it's hardly a wild stretch of the imagination given some of the rhetoric of the Brexit political broadcasts and literature.
Quote from: Rowley Birkin QC on June 03, 2016, 14:52:03
But you're not being ruled by a bunch of cunts in Brussels. All they do is add an extra layer of regulation and standards to existing member state laws. The only people ruling you lot are in Westminster.
Take the once appalling state of British beaches for example. EU regulation forced Britain to bring it's filthy beaches up to the same standards as the rest of Europe. 30 years on and people in Britain now take their clean beaches for granted - but they have the EU to thank for it.
fair enough Ken but if you google Britains dirtiest beaches its not pretty reading
(maybe less turds in Blackers)
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No-one is allowed to take the piss on any of goats' threads. I got t bollocked for that.
Quote from: Ludo on June 03, 2016, 21:56:26
Don't know why you're so bothered to be honest. You live in Australia and your kids and grandchildren will problem always live there. My vote to stay in isn't simply for me but for my kids and grandchildren.
As for the right wing analogy it's hardly a wild stretch of the imagination given some of the rhetoric of the Brexit political broadcasts and literature.
Im bothered cos Im British/Australian, and I joined the thread cos Im very interested in the subject
and being branded a UKIP supporter (like what you did) pisses me right off
fuck the left nimmers..their all nazi's globalist egotistic balaclava egg thowing jew hating wankers..bit like them rags who all dress in black and beat women and kids up at matches :)
I'm not sure I made any reference to you or anyone else being a UKIP supporter.
ludo is like rick from the young ones
Quote from: lee on June 03, 2016, 22:25:59
ludo is like rick from the young ones
you mean wick
:D
Oh, you guys... You're soooo funny.
Like Alan B'stard type funny.
Quote from: nimrod on June 03, 2016, 22:30:02
you mean wick
:D
chill the fook out wick....if you remain you wont be getting a cup of sugar from me to throw on your fire
send me your address ludo..if you win i'll post you some lentils
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thats gash mate... :D
Fuck off, I only had a few minutes, it was the best I could come up with.
:)
Quote from: bluebrendan on June 03, 2016, 16:57:42
As Ludo says, Switzerland and Norway, in order to trade freely with the EU without being members, have to implement a substantial chunk of the EU regulations without having much say in how those regulations are worded, unlike member states who can debate them in the EU parliament or in the Council of Europe.
Yes - this one escapes a lot of the outers. If they want to go on trading with the EU countries British companies will still have to ensure their products and services comply with EU regulations - and adapt to any future changes to those regulations while having no say in how those regulations are formed (as Brendan says). If British companies don't comply EU member states (perhaps those with completing commercial interests to those British companies) will be able to launch legal action banning the sales of those British goods and services from the whole EU.
The one that makes me chuckle is the outers that think all the saved cash will be spent on hospitals, the only part of the NHS cunty Cameron won't be able to flog off to his mates is pesty
Quote from: Rowley Birkin QC on June 03, 2016, 23:32:11
Yes - this one escapes a lot of the outers. If they want to go on trading with the EU countries British companies will still have to ensure their products and services comply with EU regulations - and adapt to any future changes to those regulations while having no say in how those regulations are formed (as Brendan says). If British companies don't comply EU member states (perhaps those with completing commercial interests to those British companies) will be able to launch legal action banning the sales of those British goods and services from the whole EU.
I see this as a typical scare tactic of the inners
British manufacturing companies have been complying to standards of export markets since the year dot. Complying to EU regs is no big deal.
Most manufacturers are well used to adapting their products to foreign markets, its no big deal to tweak a manufactured item if potential sales deem it worthwhile
Exports to and imports from Europe will still go on no matter what doom laden scenarios the inners predict
Quote from: nimrod on June 03, 2016, 23:51:33
Exports to and imports from Europe will still go on no matter what doom laden scenarios the inners predict
Yes they will still go on but on the EUs terms not the UK's and if the EU regulations on imports change then a UK outside of the EU will have no say in how those regulations are effected.
you should be ashamed of yourself ludo..selling your soul to merkel....ashamed..them lentils are still on offer btw
But do lentils grow in the UK??
I'm not sure I'd want those European ones. ;)
im of to to bed...just finished this nations saving grace by mes...
Then I woke up and I decided to recommence my diary
Then I read Paula Yates on vision cokeheads
Then I found out we were not going to Italy
Later Mam said 'Those continentals are little monkeys'
And yesterday we has liver and sausage over
And sometimes they say 'Hey Mark you're spoiling all the paintwork'
And sometimes they say 'Your thumbprints are on the paintwork'
Quote from: nimrod on June 03, 2016, 23:51:33
Exports to and imports from Europe will still go on no matter what doom laden scenarios the inners predict
Of course trade between the UK and the EU would go on. Daft to suggest otherwise. But when push comes to shove the EU will undoubtedly protect its core industries from outside competition by stringent regulation (which the UK will have no say in) and margin sapping tariffs. Why do you think so many UK companies want to stay in?
Mind you, Britain doesn't make anything any more - so the point is probably moot.
Quote from: Ludo on June 04, 2016, 00:22:36
But do lentils grow in the UK??
I'm not sure I'd want those European ones. ;)
your dumb prints are on the paintwork....
Quote from: lee on June 04, 2016, 00:30:42
your dumb prints are on the paintwork....
👍👍👍
Quote from: Rowley Birkin QC on June 04, 2016, 00:29:23
Of course trade between the UK and the EU would go on. Daft to suggest otherwise. But when push comes to shove the EU will undoubtedly protect its core industries from outside competition by stringent regulation (which the UK will have no say in) and margin sapping tariffs. Why do you think so many UK companies want to stay in?
Mind you, Britain doesn't make anything any more - so the point is probably moot.
Still make lovely Japanese Nissans and German owned Mini Coopers
ludo is a globalist...barry obama's bum chum
Merkels toy boy
Quote from: Rowley Birkin QC on June 04, 2016, 00:29:23
Of course trade between the UK and the EU would go on. Daft to suggest otherwise. But when push comes to shove the EU will undoubtedly protect its core industries from outside competition by stringent regulation (which the UK will have no say in) and margin sapping tariffs. Why do you think so many UK companies want to stay in?
Mind you, Britain doesn't make anything any more - so the point is probably moot.
:D
although I hear theres a company in Mossley who make Harry Potter masks
they'll be ok though as their main market if Japan & the USA
Quote from: Ludo on June 04, 2016, 00:38:59
Merkels toy boy
she just needs a little fanny tickler under her nose mate
I'm not that fucking brave
well you might be licking her ringer if you vote with me on the 23rd :P
I'm not going to get to sleep now thinking about that
food for thought mate
Now you're putting me off my breakfast.
FFS one of us has to go to bed.
im going.....i got a nice italian to get next to.....:)
Pizza or lasagne?
pizza torino style...all her clan are juve..makes sense as city and torino have some sort of affinity
Wasn't Len from torino?
Ask him next time you go to your basement
Quote from: lee on June 04, 2016, 00:59:46
im going.....i got a nice italian to get next to.....:)
Buona notte, ci vediamo domani.
ciaooo bellla brexit x
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/campaign-highlights-kinnocks-10m-eu-2100178 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/campaign-highlights-kinnocks-10m-eu-2100178)
Quote from: goat on June 04, 2016, 01:05:41
Wasn't Len from torino?
Ask him next time you go to your basement
he was funny steve..liquid len?
thats him, had a thing for nazi cats
funny bloke..shame he disappeared..he was totally acid
He took "Liquid Len" from an old early Genesis lyric, and if I remember correctly he disappeared after his two best mates (goat and Nimrod) had a massive lovers' tiff on the forum about something.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkJEvlpWgAAMFH5.jpg)
Quote from: Rowley Birkin QC on June 04, 2016, 23:53:51
He took "Liquid Len" from an old early Genesis lyric, and if I remember correctly he disappeared after his two best mates (goat and Nimrod) had a massive lovers' tiff on the forum about something.
i think he was upset when someone was on about an abortion in a carrier bag an all
Quote from: reddishblue on June 04, 2016, 19:04:55
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/campaign-highlights-kinnocks-10m-eu-2100178 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/campaign-highlights-kinnocks-10m-eu-2100178)
Over 15 years that's a lot less than most big company CEOs would earn - and this bloke was helping to run Europe.
(And those earnings figures are combined for both him and his wife - separate jobs)
Quote from: goat on June 04, 2016, 01:05:41
Wasn't Len from torino?
Ask him next time you go to your basement
I think Len just roams around Italy
(https://fbcdn-photos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/13244788_816734735097528_8291580056906698950_n.jpg?oh=535b8ef0544ee69709d48ae5fce2016f&oe=57CA512C&__gda__=1473220380_67d13cbfb701c20232580181c8758157)
not sure, from my little chats with him he seemed scared of the place. only went to his mams for sunday dinner
Bluemoon have their own vote, at the moment its 57.5% out 42.5% In
quite surprising being as they're predominantly a bunch of loony lefty commies who'd love to see Cameron and his mates dry bum fucked by the biggest guys in San Quentin
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/eu-referendum.319847/
Quote from: goat on June 05, 2016, 01:18:19
not sure, from my little chats with him he seemed scared of the place. only went to his mams for sunday dinner
ill ask him when i unleash him later in full gimp suit
Quote from: nimrod on June 05, 2016, 02:16:15
Bluemoon have their own vote, at the moment its 57.5% out 42.5% In
quite surprising being as they're predominantly a bunch of loony lefty commies who'd love to see Cameron and his mates dry bum fucked by the biggest guys in San Quentin
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/eu-referendum.319847/
i think theres gonna be a massive swing to leave nimmers just before the 23rd...everyone has forgot barry came from the usa and got his pennys worth in and merkel has stuck her ugly nose in the past few days
interesting how trump has announced he's coming to the uk just before we vote
Quote from: lee on June 05, 2016, 12:08:24
interesting how trump has announced he's coming to the uk just before we vote
The Remain camp must have paid his air fare, the guy is a complete nutter.
If Len comes back I'll vote in.
It's strange that Trump backs a Brexit considering the US is epitome of a federal government that the Brexit group are scaremongering about.
Bye the way - if the UK leaves, presumably the British tax payer will be picking up the full tab to cover the lost £5.5billion in EU subsidies?
First people banging on the door of Number 10 wanting to know what the fuck is going on will be UK farmers.
Speaking of immigration.
I read an article in one of the broadsheets that should the UK stay in Europe the country could well be faced with around 4 million immigrants in the next few years, whilst it can be said that immigrants are good, mass immigration can create problems, if many of these are unskilled then there will be a lot fewer job vacancies which in turn leads to wage reductions for mostly unskilled occupations, I dont know how buoyant the UK job market is but if 50 people apply for a part time position at Spud u Like all the power surely goes into the hands of the employer
Quote from: Rowley Birkin QC on June 07, 2016, 00:03:39
Bye the way - if the UK leaves, presumably the British tax payer will be picking up the full tab to cover the lost £5.5billion in EU subsidies?
First people banging on the door of Number 10 wanting to know what the fuck is going on will be UK farmers.
As will the fishing industry if we stay in. The price of fish nowadays...
I agree the fishing industry is problematic in the EU and they have got many things wrong over the years (some of these problems have been slowly put right, but there's still work to be done).
However, my original question remains unanswered. If the UK leaves, it will be interesting to see what happens to food prices down your local Tescos. Lamb and milk will be the prime indicators I suspect.
The Institute for Fiscal studies (the same body that Gove quotes from before brexiters start getting their knickers in a twist) have confirmed we give approximately 8bn quid to Europe each year (nearly 7 times less than we spend on the interest alone servicing our national debt).
At the same time the IFS have advised that "a small negative effect of just 0.6% on national income from leaving the EU would damage the public finances by more than 8bn".
And
"leaving the EU would leave us spending less on public services, or taxing more, or borrowing more".
Sounds great(!). I see the pound took a bit of a whack this morning as well.
Looking good kids!
Nimmers, I'd love to read the article which says 4m will come to the UK over the "next few years".
"Next few years" to me means the next 2 / 3 years. Current estimated EU to UK migration is 270,000 a year (not a NET migration figure). So to reach 4m at these levels would take nearly 15 years, and again, would not account for people leaving.
Going back to the "next few years" (let's say 3) this means EU migration to the UK would have to increase in the region of 5 times, overnight.
So I'd love to read that article to see what the logic there is.
Yes - 4 million is clearly a grossly inflated figure.
The Middle East (or somewhere else) would have to go nuclear before you start seeing those kinds of shift in world population, and even then they're not all going to turn up on Britain's' doorstep.
Climate change might eventually force the movement of those sorts of numbers (or larger) from places like Africa - but that's a long term, drawn out thing, and certainly not something that's going to happen in the "next few years".
Quote from: Lekos on June 07, 2016, 06:58:30
Nimmers, I'd love to read the article which says 4m will come to the UK over the "next few years".
"Next few years" to me means the next 2 / 3 years. Current estimated EU to UK migration is 270,000 a year (not a NET migration figure). So to reach 4m at these levels would take nearly 15 years, and again, would not account for people leaving.
Going back to the "next few years" (let's say 3) this means EU migration to the UK would have to increase in the region of 5 times, overnight.
So I'd love to read that article to see what the logic there is.
Cant remember where I read it now but will have a look round
cameron__"leaving the eu will start world war 3"
hehe
here you go, it actually says the next decade so I got that wrong
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/25/population-surge-to-change-the-face-of-england-forever/
Quote from: lee on June 07, 2016, 08:29:40
cameron__"leaving the eu will start world war 3"
hehe
Aye, bloody daft. So much stupid daftness from both sides.
Quote from: nimrod on June 07, 2016, 08:30:23
here you go, it actually says the next decade so I got that wrong
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/25/population-surge-to-change-the-face-of-england-forever/
Ta. (You bloody 'fact' spinner ;D)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gHLfMXb0Yg
I was enjoying that till Chris Evans got up
didnt really destroy much did he. the outers should stick with their dream team like duncan-smith, gove and that fucking hopkins mess
Quote from: nimrod on June 08, 2016, 00:13:54
I was enjoying that till Chris Evans got up
chris evans was fuckin shit..silly lefty cnut..didnt have a clue..a great europe lol
Quote from: goat on June 08, 2016, 00:14:43
didnt really destroy much did he. the outers should stick with their dream team like duncan-smith, gove and that fucking hopkins mess
gove comes across quite well i think....corbyn and dhimmi dave...now thats some dream team
gove, the jesus freak that fucked up education?
and dont forget this little gem
"Gove's proposal for a new Royal Yacht costing £60 million was made public in January 2012"
country in good hands there
better than in the hands of some cunts we dont know steve
really?
im still in the in group but both little gangs are full of bellends, the in gang are slightly better just because theres less of them chatting shit
say goodbye to nhs and workers rights if the daily mail fan club get their way
their all bellends at the end of the day
at the end of the day....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psNAGm5Wpx0
for some reason im getting a shitload of ukip types following me on twitter
not as weird as the liverpool fan doing some kind of doc on the sun that latched on
still upset terry christian blocked me
Jeremy Corbsun
@JeremyCorbsun FOLLOWS YOU
Do as Me, Cameron and the BBC tell you & vote remain like a puppet. We hand £billions & £billions to the EU every year while the likes of OUR NHS struggles. So?
latest knobhead that thinks the nhs will see a penny of the cash
fuckin hate terry christian mate
i was at it with nicky campbell yesterday on twitter
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2znptg6.jpg)
your mate hucknall unblocked ( fuck knows how he managed that) his own account, top pics of food there
campbell is a cock, im quite nice on twitter for some reason, except when that pikey boxer got involved in summat
hucknall lives in italy now i heard..grapes and wine making...i bet he's shit at that as well
Quote from: goat on June 08, 2016, 00:40:53
still upset terry christian blocked me
I pray you did something really good to deserve it!
thats the thing, ive no clue what i did to the poor lamb
might have called him a cnut but thats nothing, his mam probably calls him worse
Quote from: goat on June 08, 2016, 01:47:14
thats the thing, ive no clue what i did to the poor lamb
might have called him a cnut but thats nothing, his mam probably calls him worse
He probably called you a cnut like all the others in your past
nah, he blocked like a shithouse
Quote from: goat on June 08, 2016, 12:38:09
nah, he blocked like a shithouse
ugly rag cnut
not as ugly as that super red twot mick hucknall
agree...BREXIT
Does anyone actually know what concessions David Cameron negotiated with the EU and which were successful? What did he mean by a "reformed Europe" ? We need to be told...
The bullshit from both sides is underwhelming to say the least but until Dave tells me what he did in the 'talks' to benefit the UK I'm still out.
all he managed today was getting told hes fucked it all up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzFJj_VJSys
As usual he said fuck all. If he wants in I have to question why.
Cameron comes over as a complete turd, a posh twot who doesnt give a flying fuck for working class people
were in the middle of an election campaign here and our PM Malcolm Turnbull is cut from the same cloth
Some call him Mr Waterfront Mansion
Quote from: reddishblue on June 11, 2016, 00:06:25
As usual he said fuck all. If he wants in I have to question why.
he wants in because uncle rupert told him he wants in
I thought Uncle Rupert wanted out?
hes at that age, he forgets things
look at brendan.....
Quote from: goat on June 10, 2016, 23:59:51
all he managed today was getting told hes fucked it all up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzFJj_VJSys
sillly bitch..im voting remain and tells him he's fooked it up
fack off
a vote for remain isnt a vote for cameron lee
like a vote for out isnt a vote for ukip right....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ckb-DW8WsAAfBjz.jpg:large)
alright those eu lads
Beswick has a lord?!?!
just the bloke with the cleanest tracksuit
Or the most sovereigns
Welcome to Beswick, dickhead.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/Eamonn/BIG.jpg)
21.5 mill for a wrecked city centre, very generous
just about enough to buy Vardy
I can only assume you're jokingly playing that down.
I'm getting increasingly frustrated by the Outers' constant assertion that the EU is completely undemocratic. Even some of the Inners seem happy to concede this point.
All this demonstrates is an apparent lack of knowledge about how the EU actually works. It's not perfect, but then the Westminster government system isn't perfect either.
Its all a bit daft this thread, nobody is going to change anybody's mind on the issue so balls to it, found this article in the Guardian interesting though about Jean-Claude Juncker, the whole story of his election is like something out of Yes Minister.
It was a glorious summer evening in Scandinavia bathed in eternal light. Over dinner prepared by a top TV chef, a prime minister divulged his thoughts about European politics. "I'm a bit worried that the European parliament seems to be getting all these new powers," he said. The year was 2009, the EU's Lisbon Treaty was just about to come into force. The prime minister's admission was surprising because it was his and the other governments of the EU that had written the treaty, not the parliament or any other EU institution.
"We know that the parliament gets more powers, but why did your governments do that? Didn't you read the treaty?" the prime minister was asked. He gave no answer.
Fast forward five years and another meal, this time in Brussels. Over gazpacho, turbot with chervil, and chocolate and apricot pastries, the result was announced of the issue that has given European leaders indigestion for weeks. Jean-Claude Juncker had been nominated by 26 votes to 2. David Cameron bristled and demanded a show of hands. Just for the record. The English Channel suddenly widened.
A catalogue of complacency, negligence, miscalculation and manoeuvring by national leaders over the past nine months conspired to deliver an outcome no one really wanted â€" Jean-Claude Juncker, Europe's accidental president.
Not sure what your point is.
Jean-Claude Juncker is President of the European Commission. The Commission can draft new laws (based on the collective instructions of the democratically elected EU memeber states) and it can enforce and monitor existing EU laws. But it does not pass laws. That's the job of the directly elected EU Parliament.
i didnt start this thread to change minds
How would a Brexit affect City's recruitment policy should we want to buy players from other EU countries?
They'd all need work permits I suppose, which might not be too bad if we're buying established internationals but what about younger players entering the academy? Would the likes of Diaz and Celina be eligible for a work permit not having the required number of international appearances?
Anyone see the Sir Bob and Farage stand off today? The whole election will be decided by who everyone thinks is the least cuntish. I am now undecided. Cunts.
For those that missed, worth a read.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/owen-bennett/bob-geldof-nigel-farage-brexit-flotilla_b_10481804.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/owen-bennett/bob-geldof-nigel-farage-brexit-flotilla_b_10481804.html)
so was this
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/15/michael-gove-father-company-eu-policies-fish-processing-aberdeen
I'm more confused than ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGC5S3ag1q0
:D
Not sure why anyone would vote for a bigger north south divide or privatisation of the NHS. But most will chicken out and vote status quo in the end.
I don't think the Conservative dream of a privatised NHS is any more likely inside or outside of the EU.
Un firewalled perma conservative governments will eventually privatise the NHS. If Brexit happens Scotland will want out all over again the government will have shown it's weakness and where the city of London might prosper replacements of the benign eu grants won't get spread so liberally or fairly.
The insanity becomes worse. To think I used to like camping. Then again I might flee to the hills of Derbyshire if this continues. Definitely not Wales though, I'm not that mad.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/britain-first-joke_uk_5766e914e4b01fb65863a8d5?raruc7ak9jn744pldi
I remember we were doing ok until we joined the common market in 73. Apprenticeships were readily available to all. The 60's were a period of innovation until some cunts decided to stop it. Yes, unions talked too much but so called 'management' after years of mismanagement and lack of investment and imagination retired on huge pensions. Later the Thatcher government philosophy and implementation of this was let's be a "service industry country". In other words make fuck all, we can sell them insurance instead. The current incumbent government which includes those twats from 'new labour' is of the same ilk.
We make fuck all now. We even charge people to train to be a nurse nowadays. Something is not right.
Quote from: reddishblue on June 20, 2016, 06:02:28
We even charge people to train to be a nurse nowadays. Something is not right.
Tell me about it!!!
Quote from: reddishblue on June 15, 2016, 21:22:05
Anyone see the Sir Bob and Farage stand off today? The whole election will be decided by who everyone thinks is the least cuntish. I am now undecided. Cunts.
how can you be confused about bob geldof?
unless you have a bag of smack you wont be!!
Quote from: bluepill on June 19, 2016, 19:23:50
Not sure why anyone would vote for a bigger north south divide or privatisation of the NHS. But most will chicken out and vote status quo in the end.
It's not chickening out if it's the right decision!
I voted in
i voted out
This "vote with a pen" lot are a hilarious bunch of dillusional mongs :D :D :D
Received this from a friend.
Friday's going to be amazing! i'm going to wake up in my Union Jack jim-jams to the sound of a squadron of Spitfires racing overhead and leaving a trail of hot buttered crumpets behind them.
I'll run to the corner shop past all the British children who are laughing and squealing with excitement as they make a beautiful statue of the Queen out of happy wriggling bulldog puppies - with two corgis for her eyebrows!
Bunting flutters everywhere and the man from the betting shop steps into the street - "Guess what? England just won the World Cup & The Ashes & The Grand National and here's the best bit - Boris put a bet on it for everyone! you're all MILLIONAIRES!!!"
The Red Arrows fly overhead dropping fish and chips as I walk into the corner shop, get my morning paper and go to the counter. "How much please?" i say to the Asian lad there. "1 pence, everything in the whole shop now costs just 1p!" he laughs, "leave it on the counter, i'm off back to Pakistan - we all are!" - and he's right, outside in the streets jolly old Nigel Farage is leading a huge crowd of happy foreigners - Turks, Poles, Romanians, Syrians - there's even a few English people with heavy suntans mixed up in there! Nigel's playing Rule Britannia on a long pipe and they're all following and smiling and talking foreign, bless them!
Just then Boris flies overhead in a Concorde made of Bank of England gold - "Don't worry!" he laughs "I've cut out all the bits the French made!" and with that he crashes into the ground at 1200 miles an hour, along with the economy, the country and all the dozy nostalgic foreigner-fearing fuckwits who fell for his bullshit.
Quote from: Swiss on June 23, 2016, 10:40:13
It's not chickening out if it's the right decision!
I voted in
Of course it's the right decision. Just hope the majority see it that way. Tried to stay out of discussions on this because it seems to divide people right down the middle but it's interesting to see a lot of people interested in different opinions of people they know. I think that's because of the huge amount of horse shit peddled by both sides and the lack of information
I was chatting to a bloke who was voting out because he hates Cameron & likes Boris...
appox 20K votes in
19,322 remain
823 out
More results coming in, the out campaign starts looking a little more credible but is still over 20K behind.
92K in
68K out
Looks like they're from Gibralta, Toon and the Shetlands
ooooh, Sunderland have swayed the vote, the only constituency with a majority leave. Tbf, not sure anyones bothered if we annex it off
Genuinely shocked.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results)
I bet sturgeon calls for another In/Out Scotland debate give the Scots were the only unanimous voters
She has to surely. Cameron gone paving the way for Boris who is the only heavyweight politician the leave campaign had. Almost as if the bullingdon club planned it.
Surely labour need to get in on this leadership contest thing while the country is at it. Need a leader to actually engage in important debates not just look pensive and hope people listen
time for a beer :D
None of that foreign muck I hope 😉
https://www.instagram.com/p/BHB6KBmDlO3/?taken-by=bleacherreportuk
Quote from: Ludo on June 24, 2016, 15:15:09
None of that foreign muck I hope 😉
it's all brewed here anyway ;D
Quote from: lee on June 24, 2016, 15:38:10
it's all brewed here anyway ;D
Might not be for long!
Quote from: bluepill on June 24, 2016, 09:43:45
She has to surely. Cameron gone paving the way for Boris who is the only heavyweight politician the leave campaign had. Almost as if the bullingdon club planned it.
Said a few months ago that she wouldn't call for another vote whatever the outcome...
Quote from: bluepill on June 24, 2016, 09:45:58
Surely labour need to get in on this leadership contest thing while the country is at it. Need a leader to actually engage in important debates not just look pensive and hope people listen
2 have called a nil vote.
Tbf, if you want a mindset to negotiate trade deals, you'd be better of with the Capitalists.
The lunatics are running the asylum and looks like they will get a suitable leader soon too.
A general election is now inevitable sooner rather than later. Problem is there is no-one to vote for as most politicians now seem to have self-combusted or are in the process of it.
We need to start a new party ASAP. Who's with me? Still can't believe the fucking Welsh voted to stay with the fucking English.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBShN8qT4lk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBShN8qT4lk)
so guys,what is it like to taste freedom? good isn't it! :)
FOX news thinks we have left the UN. Keep your conk out.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fox-news-eu-referendum_uk_576cea04e4b08d2c5638e59b (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fox-news-eu-referendum_uk_576cea04e4b08d2c5638e59b)
Bloody yanks.
Quote from: lee on June 24, 2016, 23:11:48
Quote from: Swiss on June 24, 2016, 18:29:56
Might not be for long!
how do you know!!
I don't. It'll all depend on the trade deals. Those who don't want to gamble will pull back into Europe and export to Britain. We'll pay a higher price for it.
Those who adopt the suck it and see approach might win big, or lose hard. If everyone starts pulling out the gov will have to cut corporation tax.
There's too many variables that'd it'd take hours to draft. We'll just have to wait and see.
Quote from: Tori on June 25, 2016, 00:01:56
so guys,what is it like to taste freedom? good isn't it! :)
Misnomer
We are no more free or bound than we were 24 hours ago.
EU suggested laws, it was up to the member countries to adopt. If you didn't comply with certain laws, you couldn't trade. Foodstuffs have become a lot safer with lots of chemicals banned (as one example).
The EU have been great for certain things: Human Rights & Courts of Justice. Free Trade and movement has been great. It wasn't perfect, I'm not a staunch advocate of the current model. But I think (and it's my opinion) that we as a country were stronger in the EU.
What I fear is, is that if someone like Farage gets in power, the EU are no longer there to stop him should he decide to implement far right plans. A bit like if Trump gets in power in the US and decides to chuck out the Muslims.
Talk about going back to the dark ages, that's what Edward I did in 1290!
The economy we'll have to see what happens... I don't think even the experts can agree on what's going to happen.
Quote from: Tori on June 25, 2016, 00:01:56
so guys,what is it like to taste freedom? good isn't it! :)
How would you know? Your country's federal system of government is exactly what the Brexit brigade voted against. So whys it good enough for the richest confederation of states in the world and not for us?
Ludo, it does not work, too many states with different ideologies, different laws (states rights), and a federal government that goes against the people's will. For example, gun laws, it is easy to get guns in some states and difficult in others. Another difference is the fact that Britain can get out, whereas, any state here cannot; look what happened last time states tried to break away. The only thing keeping the states together is the federal funding, just like Europe, some states pay less and get more while others pay more and get less; familiar? however, some states now are beginning not to care about the federal government as it goes against their laws and ideology; look what is happening in the Carolina's as an example. If states here could break away, believe me, they would in a heart beat.
So the turkeys voted for Christmas, I hope they've all got jobs in 10 years time.
Definitely should be a general election now, I wouldn't trust Johnson, Gove etc to negotiate their way out of a paper bag on good terms.
The trouble is any negotiations will be done from a position of weakness and countries like Germany and France can afford to be hard-ass about it.
Quote from: Ludo on June 25, 2016, 13:28:22
The trouble is any negotiations will be done from a position of weakness and countries like Germany and France can afford to be hard-ass about it.
This ::)
I suppose it depends on what the UK has to offer countries like Germany and France (answers on a postcard). Might not be very much if most of the financial institutions in The Square Mile debunk to Frankfurt.
I have a mate who lives in Frankfurt and owns a couple of businesses there. He said that although overall Germany wanted the UK to stay, the local authorities in Frankfurt are delighted we left.
Lots more jobs, commerce and increase in property value heading their way.
Quote from: Ludo on June 25, 2016, 13:28:22
The trouble is any negotiations will be done from a position of weakness and countries like Germany and France can afford to be hard-ass about it.
I don't claim to know much about politics at all but....
How and why did the UK allow themselves to get into such a vulnerable state where they are reliant upon other countries kindness, or should I say not allowing them to be put into such a position where they can get shafted?
Being an NHS employee It's all I've heard since the results and currently being a bit pissed I thought I'd you know, cry into my rum.
Something along those lines anyway
You'll be ok. Didn't the leave campaign promise the NHS an extra £350 million a week.
Ye but apparently they made a mistake and the NHS won't get anything along those lines
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html
I think that was the joke Aaron lad.
Ooooooo
Sorry mate it was meant to be tongue in cheek 😉
Ooo ya rascal!!!
This the most sensible discussion yet on the EU. Thanks goat.
The vitriol that is that is now being exposed is a pleasure to behold. If anyone doubted for a moment that politicians are nowt but load of self serving twats then look at the fallout.
The behaviour of recently resigned/sacked labour MP's shows that to be true.
Please insert *nominally* before labour. It will make more sense.
steptoe wont resign eh!
:D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FR842KUaOw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FR842KUaOw)
Achtung Bono
so the racists that voted against the unelected in belgium that are actually elected really get some old cnut as an unelected pm
working well this eh, almost as if having no plan was the plan
and in other news, i hate wales more than i did before
Quote from: goat on July 13, 2016, 11:42:00
so the racists that voted against the unelected in belgium that are actually elected really get some old cnut as an unelected pm
working well this eh, almost as if having no plan was the plan
and in other news, i hate wales more than i did before
I also notice that the goons who were pushing the Leave message (whatever it was) - Johnson, Gove and Farage - have now essentially fucked off out of meaningful politics either by accident or design. Very handy to get out of the firing line if/when Brexit turns out to be an economic disaster.
thats assuming it does go ahead
no need to panic about losing trade, apparently the faroe islands are up for it
I got in an argue with my Mother about this. Out of 5 of us, I'm the only one that was a remain. She couldn't tell me why she voted out with good reason. This is a woman that's lived in Germany twice. Cheers Mutty!
so tonys family are massive racists :D
Appearances can be deceptive, Theresa May doesn't exactly look as if she's a barrel-load of laughs but she's appointed Boris as Foreign Secretary. Never mind trade deals some poor sod is going to have to sort out our diplomatic relations in a year or two.
gideon tweeted he hopes he left economy in better shape than he found it
mental
Quote from: goat on July 13, 2016, 21:18:54
so tonys family are massive racists :D
Well my old man grew up in Manc in the 50's and 60's & My old dear comes from a shit hole in Scotland, but grew up in Portsmouth... I don't know why it surprised me!