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He's got his flaws and had a rough time at the euros and in a few friendlies, but I believe he still has alot to offer for us. There aren't many better!

but there are better

and had the same faults since we signed him. spastic feet and comes out for  crosses like a flid

I vote stay. I'd like him to be given a chance to fit the bill. He's be a great player over the years, helping us to win many trophies and I feel his best years could still be to come. However, the owners have to give the manager full support and it has to be his decision.

Im sure it's not a decision that's been made over the last month or so. Pep has probably seen Joe over the last year and spoken to the likes of Brian Kidd before making his choice.

Perhaps Joe's a bad influence in the dressing room and it's not for footballing reasons at all.

There's obviously something Pep doesn't like, whether it's his passing ability, goalkeeping flaws, mentality or an attitude problem I guess we'll never know.

Weren't there rumblings at the time he was disruptive before Mancini was sacked?
He looks very unhappy with his situation, typically if he's sent on loan elsewhere in EPl he'll be influential in keeping a clean sheet against City lol

I wouldn't be able to play against us if he were on loan

support for Joe from one of the best

http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/18/joe-hart-will-bounce-back-from-manchester-city-dropping-says-gigi-buffon-6075222/? (http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/18/joe-hart-will-bounce-back-from-manchester-city-dropping-says-gigi-buffon-6075222/?)

Thing is it is not about stay or go. Pep has said go. He is the best manager in the world and we desperately need him to make the final giant leap to the elite top table of world football, we have to support him to the hilt.

It is a case of thanking Joe and wishing him the very best. We all know he will always be a part of City folklore and he should know and be proud of that and protect it by going gracefully.

To be the very best you need the very best.       

I would hope, that if he does go, that he would receive a warm welcome when ever he plays against us.



And then concede a few

I think Hart is a very good keeper but not really a world-class one and if Pep sees a ball-playing keeper as crucial to his methods then it's thanks and goodbye Joe.

Quote from: Zabba on August 18, 2016, 16:57:46
Thing is it is not about stay or go. Pep has said go. He is the best manager in the world and we desperately need him to make the final giant leap to the elite top table of world football, we have to support him to the hilt.

It is a case of thanking Joe and wishing him the very best. We all know he will always be a part of City folklore and he should know and be proud of that and protect it by going gracefully.

To be the very best you need the very best.     

Quite right, Yep to the Pep

Thing is, I think for a while now Joe hasn't even been as good as he used to be, which ought to mean his place in the XI was threatened anyway. But if it isn't just form that's the problem, but the kind of 'keeper he is, I would've thought it might have been smart to get the right kind of 'keeper in place before getting rid. Because I don't think Willy is better than Joe at his best, and between him and now-Joe there's probably not much in it, so I don't think Willy is a long term solution. Just seems like this hasn't been handled as well as it could've been...

So then I read this in a newspaper preview of the week-end's fixtures. On Guardiola:

"It is one thing to build confidence, as he has done with Raheem Sterling, but elemental changes take time to master. ... Stoke away â€" Hughes’s Stoke, not Tony Pulis’s cliché â€" is exactly the kind of fixture where a team not yet in the groove might get punished. Except Guardiola specialises in achieving the almost inconceivable. He thinks of football differently to most people, perhaps to anyone in the game today, and inspires his players to unusual heights of performance and consistency. "

ok... so I'm thinking, if Sterling is worth the effort, how come Joe isn't? Is he really so bad as to not even be worth trying to do something with, for someone who "specialises in achieving the almost inconceivable"? He's decided that the task of inspiring Joe "to unusual heights of performance and consistency" is beyond him?

What doesn't seem to quite add up is that if we all think Guardiola is so great, how come at the same time we agree Joe is beyond his magic? I'm not arguing for Joe here; as I said above, he's currently below standards he's set for himself previously. So even if he stayed a lot of improvement would be required. But if the solution to Sterling is improved-Sterling, why not have a go at improved-Joe as a solution to Joe, at least until a world-class replacement is between the sticks?

There have been rumours floating around that Joe's reaction to being left out against Sunderland was "unprofessional", which might explain the rapid parting of the ways. The way events have unfolded does suggest there's something more than simple footballing reasons involved.

Quote from: Gareth on August 19, 2016, 15:23:52

ok... so I'm thinking, if Sterling is worth the effort, how come Joe isn't? Is he really so bad as to not even be worth trying to do something with, for someone who "specialises in achieving the almost inconceivable"? He's decided that the task of inspiring Joe "to unusual heights of performance and consistency" is beyond him?

age must come into it, joe is 29 and i doubt he will magically learn  how to pass the ball now

"I don’t want players who are unhappy" (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/aug/19/pep-guardiola-will-allow-joe-hart-to-leave-manchester-city)

He looked like he was smirking when Sunderland levelled on Saturday.

He clearly has to go, no going back now.

yup this is a pecking order situation rather than just footballing,  and Pep will win it.
May even be a setting an example to others,of how backed Pep is in his decision making.
We never really know what's going on but it's obvious Hart is not a happy camper and sitting as a sub with a mardy look doesn't portray him very professionally.

Quote from: guidebridgeblue on August 19, 2016, 18:02:57
He looked like he was smirking when Sunderland levelled on Saturday.

He clearly has to go, no going back now.

So maybe its not just a footballing issue

Joe can get very angry   :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05IpqQ0OvQQ


‘Up until the 31st of this month everything is open with the people who are coming and the people who [are] leaving. In September I will know exactly which people are going to live together, fight together, enjoy together, to discuss together all the situations that are going to happen during the season.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3748954/Pep-Guardiola-says-Joe-Hart-free-leave-Manchester-City-wants-work-players-want-stay.html#ixzz4HoZt8vbE

I'm normally a placid fella but I've had my moments...


Could be a Fergie V Beckham moment, post boot in the face.

Watching bits of the Foxes V Arse match, Kasper's pasing has been excellent today. Maybe we let the wrong one go...

i said stay but only because i think he is better than Willy.
Willy seem scared to death of picking the ball up,there was one point when i ha a defender wide right and lefi and one central and he waved the away and hoofed it.

Ok, it's a long read, but for me it covers most of the ground...

Pep Guardiola shows ruthlessness over Joe Hart but he is not a bad judge
(https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/aug/20/pep-guardiola-ruthless-joe-hart-manchester-city)

A lot of waving going on at the end...

He's a poncey/posing/gum chewing twot who cares more about his hair than he does City. Can't catch a ball, kick a ball in a straight line or even punch one. Overrated.

Needs to go back to basics to rescue his career unless he has ambitions to be the best shampoo model ever...

Don't even mention his distribution which many times put us under immediate pressure.

Quote from: Swiss on August 24, 2016, 21:48:40
A lot of waving going on at the end...

Goodbyes I hope.

Someone on here said he was lined up to go when Mancini was in charge. His nationality saved him in the past. He has a mistake in him and has technical flaws to his game.  Caballero is no better with his feet and a worse goalkeeper. Suppose Pep was making a statement. Hart, like Yaya may not go because no one fancies them enough to shell out the big money. Didnt Casillas hang round like a bad smell at RM for a year when he was demoted.

Can't see that happening here.  If they can't find a buyer he'll be out on loan.

I'd like Hart to just take this on the chin, work really hard under Pep and develop into the keeper Pep wants. I think after the Euros he's not going to be England's number 1 where ever he goes. So why not take a year out and prove Pep hes capable of changing his game? If he's going to improve under any manager it's going to be Pep.

Quote from: Neil Mcnab on August 25, 2016, 16:39:05
Someone on here said he was lined up to go when Mancini was in charge.

that will be me

platt said  if mancini managed to not get binned a deal was sorted for the bosnian lad that was at stoke

Quote from: goat on August 26, 2016, 03:07:36
that will be me

platt said  if mancini managed to not get binned a deal was sorted for the bosnian lad that was at stoke

I remember that.

Quote from: Zabba on August 18, 2016, 16:57:46
Thing is it is not about stay or go. Pep has said go. He is the best manager in the world and we desperately need him to make the final giant leap to the elite top table of world football, we have to support him to the hilt.

It is a case of thanking Joe and wishing him the very best. We all know he will always be a part of City folklore and he should know and be proud of that and protect it by going gracefully.

To be the very best you need the very best.     

If ever a person came out of an adverse 'situation' with his reputation enhanced it has to be Joe Hart. His response and behaviour has been absolutely exemplary.

Well done Joe I look forward to the time when you are back at City in a different role.

Gollum interested apparently - SSN

Having medical at Torino tomorrow ahead of loan move (BBC)

has anyone checked to see if the silly old cunts that got upset that i didnt rate hart are ok?

seems pep agreed  with me  :D

Quote from: goat on August 30, 2016, 10:22:45
has anyone checked to see if the silly old cunts that got upset that i didnt rate hart are ok?

seems pep agreed  with me  :D

Are you Pep in disguise?

nah, just told him to fuck hart off or ill give pesty his address

The new keeper will need a strong start, blimey. But Pep obviously knows what's best for our team, so we go with it, it's really that simple. Sorry Joe, but there it is

Maybe that's why he's got Bravo in. A fall guy so he can go out and buy Ter Stegen or Neuer next summer...


I liked Hart, I'm sad he's going but no player can stay forever

or maybe give gunn a go in a few years

Quote from: goat on August 30, 2016, 10:22:45
has anyone checked to see if the silly old cunts that got upset that i didnt rate hart are ok?

seems pep agreed  with me  :D

that'll teach you to be the board oracle ;)