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Title: v Lyon
Post by: gavin on August 15, 2020, 19:12:08
STARTING XI | Ederson, Walker, Garcia, Laporte, Cancelo, Fernandinho (C), Rodrigo, Gundogan, De Bruyne, Sterling, Jesus

SUBS | Bravo, Stones, Zinchenko, Bernardo, D.Silva, Mendy, Mahrez, Otamendi, Foden, Doyle, Palmer, Bernabe

A bit of a negative side from Pep but I think we needed to try something different from last seasons efforts against Lyon. Hope Pep has got it right.
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: KunDB on August 15, 2020, 19:13:28
Garcia back in starting eleven means more pace, but will alck of experience catch us out?

Come on City
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Stephen Paul on August 15, 2020, 19:28:25
Mon blues
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Stephen Paul on August 15, 2020, 20:26:55
Here we go the hard way
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: KunDB on August 15, 2020, 20:47:35
40 minutes before we started to pass and play purposely with rhythm. Too often the case and the usual defensive disaster.
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: gavin on August 15, 2020, 20:49:36
This is the third time we've struggled against these now. He's tried to change things but it hasn't worked. We can't wait to long before it is shit or bust.
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Paddy on August 15, 2020, 20:52:24
Wht is KDB playing in the forward line, makes him totally blind, he is a playmaker and cannot see what is going on behind, needs to player deeper. Team selection do defensive, showing to much respect...
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Swiss on August 15, 2020, 20:53:45
Because he's only 1 of 3 attacking players on the pitch...


I don't blame walker for playing the lad onside because the other defenders should have been in line with him. but I do blame him for not tracking back.
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Hesperus on August 15, 2020, 20:54:10
Why change the system???

We’ve barely had any attacking threat which isn’t surprising given we’re an attacker short up front. Why have we shown them so much respect and changed the way we play and formation?

We need to get our best attacking players on and play to our strengths.
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Paddy on August 15, 2020, 20:57:50
Need to ditch Ferni, to slow, no attempt to play the ball
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: gavin on August 15, 2020, 20:58:34
We've shown them this respect and changed the team as they have done this to use twice previously not so long ago
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Stephen Paul on August 15, 2020, 21:00:19
One of the Silvas on Pep
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Hesperus on August 15, 2020, 21:00:37
Quote from: Paddy on August 15, 2020, 20:57:50
Need to ditch Ferni, to slow, no attempt to play the ball

Agree. He’s on a yellow and Lyon are already looking to get him sent off.

Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Hesperus on August 15, 2020, 21:05:13
Quote from: gavin on August 15, 2020, 20:58:34
We've shown them this respect and changed the team as they have done this to use twice previously not so long ago

We aren’t a defensive team Gav. So why try and play that way? We should be backing ourselves against Lyon. The first half system just hasn’t worked, defensively or offensively, I don’t think anyone can disagree with that.
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Stephen Paul on August 15, 2020, 21:15:17
Why are we so shit at corners
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Hesperus on August 15, 2020, 22:00:50
Hard to sum up my feelings after that defeat.

Very poor team formation and selection from Pep in the first half.

Fucked by Var for their 2nd.

Big miss by Sterling at the end.

Overall a poor season. C+ from me.

Good to win the league cup. Way Way off on the league. Surrendered pathetically in the FA cup and shot ourselves in the foot in the CL.

Not good enough.
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: gavin on August 15, 2020, 22:02:58
Quote from: Hesperus on August 15, 2020, 21:05:13
We aren’t a defensive team Gav. So why try and play that way? We should be backing ourselves against Lyon. The first half system just hasn’t worked, defensively or offensively, I don’t think anyone can disagree with that.

I don't think the aim was to play defensively, just to nullify their breaks - especially down the wings. As it was they broke on us and won the game after we changed though I wouldn't necessarily argue it was because of the change. So many things could have gone differently but didn't. But we've played them three times and three times now they've caused us serious issues. Be interesting to see what he does if we play them again. They can play on the break if they like but I didn't like their diving much. Some of the fouls they got were a lot softer than the foul on Laporte for their second goal....
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Paddy on August 15, 2020, 22:05:15
Odds of 1-7 on to win. Dream on. I read somewhere on here that we can beat Bayen, sent the rubber bus and the white coats....!!! They r coming to get you Lee HaHa !!!
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Swiss on August 15, 2020, 22:08:12
I'm With Gav on this.  OK its not a selection of players I'd like to see again but...

1st. Walker didn't track back.
2nd. VAR/ UEFA conspiracy
3rd. Ederson fuck up, but poor defending in the build up and a dodgy pass.
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: KunDB on August 15, 2020, 22:08:36
No strong leadership on field.
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Hesperus on August 15, 2020, 22:15:05
The team selection and system of the first half didn’t create any chances, that’s just a fact. We normally create a hat full and miss a lot of them to be fair,  but we did nothing in the first half against a team that finished 7th in their league. Play our best attacking team today and I believe we’d have scored In the first half and that would have put a completely different complexion on the game.

I think that could be Peps last game in charge for us.
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Paddy on August 15, 2020, 22:20:33
Swiss, we weren't at the match and that is down to all in general but poor team selection (negative) and also negative on the ball, to many loose passes. As i stated in another post "Shite", no matter how you dress it...Saves us getting humiliated by Bayen...
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Swiss on August 15, 2020, 22:21:23
Quote from: KunDB on August 15, 2020, 22:08:36
No strong leadership on field.

Thats been a problem since before Kompany left. He dragged us up on our own at times.
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Swiss on August 15, 2020, 22:23:31
Quote from: Hesperus on August 15, 2020, 22:15:05

I think that could be Peps last game in charge for us.

Whilst no one is infallible, he is our most successful manager ever and I would not advocate that.
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: gavin on August 15, 2020, 22:28:29
Don't get me wrong, it is not the team selection I would have made but I can see why he did it. The evidence of previous games against them and similar teams suggests we would still have struggled had we played our usual formation. But maybe not had we got an early goal. It is impossible to say now.
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Hesperus on August 15, 2020, 22:30:46
Quote from: Swiss on August 15, 2020, 22:23:31
Whilst no one is infallible, he is our most successful manager ever and I would not advocate that.

I don’t want him to go either but unless he signs a new contract I don’t see the point of keeping him for another season. I’d rather we planned for the next 5 years.

He and the club have had a poor season.
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Rowley Birkin QC on August 15, 2020, 22:51:00
A poor, but massively disrupted season. Like everyone else I'm very disappointed but If I'm honest I'd written off this season many months ago and the re-booting of the Champions League was just a pleasant diversion. I knew defensively we weren't good enough to win it.

Like Swiss and Gav I can sort of see what Pep might have been thinking, but it spectacularly didn't work and he took 60 minutes to come up with something resembling a Plan B.  Very poor coaching I thought, and undoubtedly Pep's worst game in charge.

A few pigeons came home to roost tonight. Poor squad development. Not replacing Kompany, playing (and quite frankly - wasting!) Fernandinho out of position. The predictable shafting by VAR did the rest.
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Swiss on August 15, 2020, 23:18:39
Thought the ref had a poor game overall, should have managed Cornet  better.

He seems a perfect fit for Liverpool.
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: goat on August 15, 2020, 23:21:18
Quote from: Swiss on August 15, 2020, 23:18:39


He seems a perfect fit for Liverpool.

He's that big of a cnut is he?

Well that was shite, City must be the biggest club in Europe not able to throw a striker on
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Swiss on August 15, 2020, 23:25:20
his in-game salmon flopping, falley over, wafer in breeze but annoyingly decent at playing ball and an athletic/ strong defender...
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Hesperus on August 15, 2020, 23:29:45
Quote from: Swiss on August 15, 2020, 23:25:20
his in-game salmon flopping, falley over, wafer in breeze but annoyingly decent at playing ball and an athletic/ strong defender...

He was a twot for sure but he won’t care Tonight.
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: lee on August 16, 2020, 08:21:10
Agree with Goat..No striker to come on is shabby really..some changes to be made for next season.

Throw the lot at Kane or the polish bloke at Bayern
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Stephen Paul on August 16, 2020, 08:23:39
on another night City would have put 5 past Lyon easily

Just think the team selection was wrong

Play makers Benardo , Silva , Mahrez and Foden all on the bench at the same time . Almost unheard off
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Lekos on August 16, 2020, 08:36:01
Quote from: Hesperus on August 15, 2020, 20:54:10
Why change the system???

We’ve barely had any attacking threat which isn’t surprising given we’re an attacker short up front. Why have we shown them so much respect and changed the way we play and formation?

We need to get our best attacking players on and play to our strengths.

Agree. Wrong tactics, wrong starting 11. Didn't play our strengths...didn't make changes quick enough. Pep didn't trust our defence but that nullified our attack.

Last 16
QF
QF
QF

Not good enough.
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: Neil Mcnab on August 16, 2020, 14:55:21
We cannot defend against an OK Lyon team on the break. Little striker alternatives, distant dream of having Kun, Tevez, Balotelli and Dzeko available.
Alaba and Martinez brought in might help both ends of the pitch.
I coulds see Pep going. It would be after much soul searching I have let the club down and taken them as far as I can blah blah, its me not you, anyone know the next flight to Barcelona?
Title: Re: v Lyon
Post by: goat on August 16, 2020, 19:41:41
Ghost of Alan Ball to take over