It's attitudes like this why rape conivctions are so low. Many blokes don't even believe it's a crime, and always belittling the victim, asuming they were asking for it, and think hey she probably enjoyed it anyway...  Bit of character assassination by the defence and it's easy to introduce a seed of doubt.

I believe it's a very serious crime. Hence there should be proof of guilt. Can you please tell me the proof in this case that convinces you of guilt?

I wasn't there at the trial, justread the same stuff as other commentards. Perhaps you lads were there and heard the evidence and have a solid reason for not believing the outcome of the trial. Or maybe it's the same old misogynistic attitudes that prevent the truth being found in most rape cases

Quote from: bluepill on November 22, 2014, 00:32:32
It's attitudes like this why rape conivctions are so low. Many blokes don't even believe it's a crime, and always belittling the victim, asuming they were asking for it, and think hey she probably enjoyed it anyway...  Bit of character assassination by the defence and it's easy to introduce a seed of doubt.

not sure anyone here said it wasnt serious and if she said she was too drunk to remember then thats not too good is it

and has a story about a girl pulling a footballer in a bar ever ended well?

Too drunk to give consent then yeah?

but according to some expert  they had at the trial she wasnt

could she be telling fibs?

Of course its possible but right now he's convicted of a serious sexual crime has show zero remorse and got out early. No way should a football club be letting him represent them until his appeal is heard. If he's found innocent then, fair enough no one should be able to stop him training or playing if he's served his time. right now however, he is by definition guilty.

footballer is just a job, ok a very high paying job but still a job. if the club think he can help them win games/make money they hire him if not they wont but to not do it because loose women or some shit has a cob on is bollocks


wasnt this much fuss over lee hughes or that keeper

So there's no evidence but we're misogynists for not thinking he's clearly guilty anyway.

to be fair you probably are one gav 

pretty sure i said a while ago i dont care about her or even him, im more concerned with people going on about it in my paper and annoying me

He has been found guilty so he is guilty - you are still free to believe what you want of course. I'm saying that posters are airing misogynistic views when belittling the suffering of being treated like a piece of meat or asking for it.

they are both probably chav wankers, there ive evened it out for you

but, if she went back to a hotel with him and his mate after a night on the piss what was she expecting, if she didnt want to shag them why go there eh, safe to say it wasnt to show off the mini bar or little soaps

Wish the story would Fuck off and let us get back to whinging how shit city have been

I hate some women like I hate some men. Mainly Tory politicians or rags.

I don't belittle her feelings or the feelings of rape victims at all but I do think they're irrelevant when it comes to the burden of proof. Either there is decent proof or there isn't. Feelings shouldn't come into it.

If he's guilty when found guilty then maybe he should be free when freed but he doesn't seem to be and nor do Sheffield United seem to be free to employ him.

My final say on this.

The evidence was heard and some of it has been touched upon on here.

The expert defence witness claiming she was not drunk to give consent was heard, and presumably [rightly in my opinion] dismissed on the weight of other contradictory evidence. In my opinion she was clearly too drunk to give consent and was therefore highly vulnerable and any decent member of society would have protected her not taken advantage of her state of inebriation to have sex.

The jury heard the girl freely and honestly admit she was too drunk to remember exactly what happened.

The jury heard the surrounding evidence including Ched booking the room earlier in the day, the texts shared between the men, the cctv footage, the hotels night porters statement, etc.

The jury weighted it all up and considered it against 'reasonable doubt'.

They acquitted the other man on reasonable doubt.

They considered the weight of evidence against Ched and found him guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

So guilty he is, she is the victim and he is the rapist no matter how many on here want to re-run the trial without proper and fair hearing.

Ched is a predator and danger to society, a rapist, so society need protected from him and his like.

He can appeal further, but this is not a case of unfair justice, an unfair trial or process like the Guildford Four case. It was a through and fair trial as far as I can see and hear.

He can of course reform but there is no sign of that, just remorse at getting caught and being exposed for what he actually is a rapist.

Not accepting the fair trial and fair consideration of the evidence and conclusion of guilt beyond reasonable doubt, well Ched needs to rethink his actions, response and behaviour and reform himself, as does some others on here need to rethink their attitudes and response {as we all, me included, need to do at various times as we all carry bias and mental baggage from our upbringing}.

Should Evans be able to gain employment again? Yes of course he should. Should he be allowed to do so in the high profile world of football? Probably not.

Whether or not we like the term 'role model' or even if footballers should be role models is irrelevant. They are. They for the most part occupy the same celebrity orbit as pop stars, film stars and tv personalities.

Kids don't go to bed at night dreaming of being the local greengrocer, they don't have posters of the milkman on their walls but Evans plays his trade in front of thousands of young people every week and employers should, rightly, take that into consideration.

If he wins an appeal then all that can change but until then he's a convicted rapist and should be treated as such, a pariah.

I think the world is far too complicated to see it in such black and white terms. Every circumstance should be judged on its merits as far as possible. I will make my own mind up not rely solely on an all too fallible justice system.

didnt lee hughes playfor oldham after his crime..maybe ched should try them 

Quotef he wins an appeal then all that can change but until then he's a convicted rapist and should be treated as such, a pariah.

If he wins his appeal, society will still see him as a pariah; mud sticks rightly or wrongly!

Freedom for the Welsh one.