115 fraud/ Consipiracy charges.

[gavin]

Or maybe we appeal like we did the UEFA two year ban. I'm not worried about watching City in lower divisions again if necessary. In some ways it is attractive. No VAR and away matches streamed at 3pm. But we must pursue justice until the end. Leicester appealed and win.

[Stephen Paul]

The media will be full of bullshit for the next month or two

Bring on league two

Back to Maine road days 

[gavin]

The media is always full of bullshit and it just gets worse and worse over the years. I remember the days that the Saturday Pink was just full of football. Nowadays there are more stories on the internet about finance of football than football. I don't even think that there were financial rules back then and you certainly never heard of points deductions for breaking them. Strange how they appeared when City got good and the rags declined.

[Stephen Paul]

Talking about the rags decline

This week
City V Inter CL

Man Utd V Barnsley LC

Say no more

[gavin]

Just how it should be.

[reddishblue]

This is interesting. Apparently the new rules proposed by the PL might also be unlawful, what a fuck up they are.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c8rlm680j0mo

[Stephen Paul]

Khaldoon Mubarak has done his homework

[gavin]

They don't learn their lesson. Masters et al need replacing with people not in the pockets of the red mafia. But it's probably going to take a new League being set up.

[KunDB]

It will be Tony embarrassing when the PL has to back down again.

[gavin]

If we are found not guilty of the charges then they will have to go. That along with the new rules farce would have to be the end of the current regime.

[reddishblue]

Aston Villa have written to the PL asking them to postpone Friday's vote on APT/PSR rules. Other clubs to follow?

https://x.com/TeleFootball/status/1858836004582428713

[reddishblue]

https://archive.ph/N4JzI

[Stephen Paul]

The reigning champions Manchester City are famously owned by the City Football Group, a consortium involving the Abu Dhabi United Group, Silver Lake and China Media Capital & CITIC Group. The takeover of the club was completed in 2008 and has entirely transformed City. City's meteoric rise under the ownership has led to eight Premier League titles and a Champions League crown while cementing the club as one of the best in the world.

The City Group name is taken from the Manchester outfit and includes other clubs such as Girona, New York City, Mumbai City and Palermo. The club's state ownership has come in for criticism, with their success being seen by some as 'sportswashing', and the ongoing investigation into City's 115 charges by the Premier League hangs over the club. But if early predictions that they will win the 'Trial of the Century', then that, again, will be down to the brains behind football's biggest operation.

[gavin]

Now 130 charges. What a farce.

[reddishblue]

Even though the hearing is now over, it could still go on for a while....

https://x.com/slbsn/status/1866424261348319710?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1866424261348319710%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

EXPLAINED: PL v City - what happens now. Judgments are rarely quick, many issues still to deal with...

In the real world (the High Court, for example), the result of a 12 week trial would take a year or more to appear. The judgment here will run to maybe 500 pages and will consider each allegation, each witness, each significant argument in detail. It is worth remembering that the APT hearing result took 3 months (2 week hearing and a relatively simple matter) to appear. The decisions on the follow-on APT questions also seem to be expected to take a further 3 months. The wheels tend to turn slowly.

It is hard to see how, on any basis, the PL v City result can come before the end of March (never mind the end of January). And even then, the result is only a partial piece. Here's why:

1⃣ The deliberations and writing up of the decision will now commence but if The Lawyer magazine is correct, this hearing was only to consider liability - did City breach or not. It did not consider sanction and those factors considered aggravating and mitigating.

2⃣ So the sanction submissions will come later and can only come after the liability judgment is released because the submissions relating to aggravating and mitigating factors will flow from the findings of fact in the liability judgment.

3⃣ But wait. It is potentially even more complicated. A party could decide to appeal the liability judgment before the sanction judgment is received (or even heard).

4⃣It is also likely that the parties will need at least a month after receiving the liability judgment to prepare and diarise a sanction hearing - top barristers are not available at the drop of a hat to switch back to the PL v City case. It could well take 2 months from drop of the liability decision to hear the sanction case, which itself is likely to take 2 weeks (or more). After that, there will be a further wait for the decision.

5⃣ A quick liability decision is likely to mean a City win - if the PL has proven the substantive and serious matters, the tribunal will need to ensure the judgment is exceptionally strong - the findings will be extremely damning and sensitive so it will need a huge amount of work to finalise that document. It will be exceptionally long and it will take longer to prepare and check.

6⃣ There are then many more questions:
- is any sanction imposed pending an appeal? A sanction leading to a relegation or worse is likely to cause irreparable harm if overturned on appeal so will this give rise to a suspension of the sanction pending appeal?
- how long will appeal take even to be heard. Given the necessary preparation work and the number of diaries to align (the barrister teams are big), it is likely to take months just to diarise an appeal hearing.
- while an appeal is not a retrial, a very serious finding against City will almost certainly lead to a broad appeal. Such an appeal hearing could easily last a month with a decision easily taking many more months.

So the timeline and process from here is far from clear - even the parties are unlikely to know with much certainty what happens next and when. As such, anyone claiming levels of certainty or near certainty are just making it up...

[Stephen Paul]

getting more farcical by the day

[Vickki]

15 more charges added it seems. So it's now 130. WTF is going on?

[KunDB]

15 more charges added it seems. So it's now 130. WTF is going on?

After the initial charges were screwed up by the PL they were redone. It always had been 130, just the media don't like admitting they were wrong so they stick to 115 charges for their headlines.

 

[reddishblue]

After the initial charges were screwed up by the PL they were redone. It always had been 130, just the media don't like admitting they were wrong so they stick to 115 charges for their headlines.

 

Is the correct answer.