Evans

[Paddy]

What is his worth as a cb

[goat]

20 odd million if you ask west brom

[nimrod]

same as West Brom paid, 6 mill

[bluebrendan]

What is his worth as a cb

3 points to the opposition? 

[nimrod]

[Lekos]

This tickled me on Twitter

On Jonny Evans...
Fergie played him
Mourhino says he would have kept him
Pep & Wenger want him
Yet Craig from Leamington Spa says he's shit.

[Gareth]

This tickled me on Twitter

I do sometimes wonder what the elite-player level of fitba looks like through the eyeballs of those who manage at that level, because it's obviously quite different to what most people watching the same shit can see.

[Lekos]

Dissenting / unhappy / moany voices whine more, but I wouldn't say they are the 'most'.

[Gareth]

Dissenting / unhappy / moany voices whine more, but I wouldn't say they are the 'most'.

No, really, dissent/unhappiness/moaning aside, I do think that top-level managers see a different game to the one that most of us watch. It isn't much on show when they are interviewed about a game, but maybe they are just concealing their craft.
I did once do some coaching badges, the courses were run by ex-pros, and they were so much more amazingly skillful than any of us that it was all a waste of time because we couldn't do any of the tricks they could, and they just wanted to coach individual skills, not how the game really works.

[Lekos]

Sure, when all you do all day every day, for every waking minute, is watch football, watch players, think about tactics, train players, etc etc at some point it must be like stepping into the matrix.

[gavin]

There's plenty of shit managers and plenty of good ones that bought and played plenty of shit players. I've seen more than my fair share of shit players and managers over the years. I think we generally underestimate though how shit most people are at their jobs. I deal with it all the time and unfortunately all too often it is my shitness. Though if I ever become as shit as the average prem referee then I will give up.

It is great that we generally have very good players these days, some are even great. Though even that doesn't seem good enough for moaning bastards like me a lot of the time.

[Lekos]

There's plenty of shit managers and plenty of good ones that bought and played plenty of shit players. I've seen more than my fair share of shit players and managers over the years.

Aye, very true.  There does seem to be a shit manager merry-go-round. 

Though if I ever become as shit as the average prem referee then I will give up.

Hahaha.

[KunDB]

We fans fund the mega football merry go round and the Managers, players and others big buck salaries so we have the right to moan.

I guess it's a game of opinions and Pep and Fergie clearly see qualities in Jonny Evans that we mere fans don't. If city win silverware and play entertaining footie I'm happy.

[goat]

We fans fund the mega football merry go round

"I keep hearing the phrase 'fans pay the players' wages', but fans need to know gate receipts don't come anywhere near doing that."

says a former premier league chairman

[nimrod]

I think its an age thing
(Ive noticed goat moans more with every year that passes) 

And now with City being rich the expectation is higher, fans are even hungrier fir silverware, there are young guys on Bluemoon who would pay 150 million for Sanchez, "just give Arsenal whatever they want, the sheik makes that in an hour"

I had a job selling Cooling Towers in the 80's, I did many courses in negotiation, (since then Ive never paid full price for anything)

It kind of annoys me the way City buy their players, it goes against all I was taught, they've followed the same routine with most of their big buys, like Lescott, Stones, Sterling etc we announce (or leak to the press) that we want that player, the other club say he's not for sale,then we go on a several weeks of maybe making another bid or three, then eventually come D Day we are held to ransom by the selling club and we end up paying the asking price (or very near too). They make a mug of us.
Its a well trodden path for us, it s not a good way to operate, we will end up paying 90 million for Sanchez & Evans.

But then again as the young fan said on BM, the sheik makes that in an hour so who gives a fuck, maybe I have to get my head round that  .....and resist the urge to moan about it.

[Lekos]

I think its an age thing
(Ive noticed goat moans more with every year that passes) 

Nah, he's always been a right old whining mare 

It kind of annoys me the way City buy their players, it goes against all I was taught, they've followed the same routine with most of their big buys, like Lescott, Stones, Sterling etc we announce (or leak to the press) that we want that player, the other club say he's not for sale,then we go on a several weeks of maybe making another bid or three, then eventually come D Day we are held to ransom by the selling club and we end up paying the asking price (or very near too). They make a mug of us.
Its a well trodden path for us, it s not a good way to operate, we will end up paying 90 million for Sanchez & Evans.

I understand what you're saying but as far as this summer has gone I don't think we've been held to ransom.  We paid the price required to get the deal done and out of the way.  We got our deals done reasonably early (6 players in) - it's just this Sanchez one that's dragging on.  Look at Spuds for example, scrambling around in the last two days, or Arsenal who can't seem to sign anyone.

[KunDB]

"I keep hearing the phrase 'fans pay the players' wages', but fans need to know gate receipts don't come anywhere near doing that."

says a former premier league chairman

Yes, but that is not the main source of fans money; Advertising, TV money home and abroad from the stay at home fans, merchandise. In the end it is the fans money underlying all that. SKY and BT are not fools paying billions for TV rights, they know what it can generate for them and it is a lot more than they pay. Fans then pay it for their TV/Broadband/Phone Line/Calls etc.

Not up to date chart below but it gives you the idea:

[goat]

the story was from 2005, im guessing he factored in sky

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2005/oct/02/sport.comment2

oh, he says tv money isnt all that either

[Lekos]

the story was from 2005, im guessing he factored in sky

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2005/oct/02/sport.comment2

oh, he says tv money isnt all that either

He said they got 13.5m for finishing 3rd from bottom in 2005. They'll get over 100m when they go down this year.

[goat]

 'Why not redistribute TV money instead?' Because its significance has been vastly overblown

that bit

obviously a lot of clubs are desperate for any cash from anywhere but there are a fair few with owners flash enough to crack on without as much help

[bluebrendan]

Every cloud etc... 

[KunDB]

Not bothered we did not get Evans, but at a lost why we did not get another Centre Back. Kompany, Stones, Otamendi and misfit Mangala not enough to cover 2 games a week and injuries/bookings. Particularly with the way we play and Kompany injury record and Stones/Otamendi partnership just does not work.

[Lekos]

Precisely why we were trying to get evans.

[Neil Mcnab]

Mangala not going was the problem. Mangala looked alright in the pre season games anyway. Plus Pep will improve him?

[nimrod]

Plus Pep will improve him?

But has Pep improved any players since he came, Stones , Sterling no better than he was at Lpool for me ?
Sergio looks to have lost something, even Kelechi seemed to go downhill

is it a myth?

[gavin]

Pep clearly doesn't rate Mangala and he does seem a bit accident prone. But Evans wasn't the answer for me- even setting aside his tainted history. We should have tried to get Van Dijk.

[lee]

im well chuft we didnt get a rag reject

[Swiss]

Who ever said Pep (Or any manager these days) is in charge of recruitment?

But has Pep improved any players since he came, Stones , Sterling no better than he was at Lpool for me ?
Sergio looks to have lost something, even Kelechi seemed to go downhill

is it a myth?

Stones - Who knows - who of us watched him week in and week out to truely comment? Is it because he had a lot of pressure on him? Is it because of a winning mentallity weakness? Is it because the defenders around him were also a bit pish? I think he's looked alright this season, but we're too early to tell.
I don't think he was awful last season, but he made too many mistakes.

Sterling - Personally this comes down to 3 things for me: 1) Liverpool Fans absolutely & relentlessly destroying him on a personal level. All the racist things their fans were saying to him, death threats etc - all for daring to leave their darling club! No matter how tough you are, and especially when you're a young person it will effect you. (2) Finishing - he is not a natural finisher. (3) Has a playboy attitude imo. From what I've seen of him, I cannot honestly say he exudes the professionalism of someone like Kompany. Pep said he likes him when he plays more centrally - Maybe the intention will be to play him as a support striker as he has on occasion before...

Kelechi - Was never a good footballer but he has a natural box scoring instinct. Will suit a different style of play better than ours.

Kun - I like him best when he cuts in from the left hand side. Still the best striker we have but it's foolish to keep relying on him all the time so we did need more striking options. I think the Media has had something to play in trying to unsettle him & also lets not forget his marriage broke down and his kid isn't in England any more.

Maybe Pep has time for a couple of pet projects, but given how rag tag the squad was when he took over, it's a tall order to fix everything!

[nimrod]

im well chuft we didnt get a rag reject

I just didnt want Pulis to have 30 million and have a smug look on his weird face

[lee]

I just didnt want Pulis to have 30 million and have a smug look on his weird face

would have been the only time he beat us

[goat]

he would only try and freshen up his wardrobe in the west brom clubshop

[nimrod]

he would only try and freshen up his wardrobe in the west brom clubshop

you seen him in there ?

[goat]

he cant be still wearing his palace stuff  can he gandalf