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The Blue Blooded Maniac

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« on: September 03, 2018, 22:46:51 »
The whole thing seems to have been an absolute sham from the beginning.

I'm not all that clued up on politics and voted leave pretty much due to the promises made in favour of the NHS.

Those promises haven't been kept (shocker) plus the whole set up for the referendum was rushed and the voters weren't informed properly of the effects of each potential result.

There has been plenty of talk of a do over, which I am fully in favour of as I would definitely change my vote and after becoming more aware of the situation, I'm sure many others would change their vote too.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2018, 23:05:07 »
good lad

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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2018, 23:09:48 »
Cheers dad

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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2018, 23:19:11 »
if i was your dad id have beat the shit out of you for doing something that stupid in the first place

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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2018, 23:27:31 »
cant see it being cancelled

best we will probably  get is a  vote on taking no deal or whatever useless shit the tories have left scribbled on a fag packet that the e.u hasnt laughed out the room

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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2018, 07:32:29 »
Given the people making the promises regards NHS funding it amazes me the people believed them at all. They were clearly oversimplified bollocks from the very start. There is a myriad of benefits and losses from being in the EU, to take the money put into the EU and say you could spend that on the NHS was plainly ridiculous.

This is what you get when you put the future in the hands of millions of idiots.

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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2018, 11:30:29 »
would help if they had the right amount in the first place

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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2018, 09:38:12 »
Given the people making the promises regards NHS funding it amazes me the people believed them at all. They were clearly oversimplified bollocks from the very start. There is a myriad of benefits and losses from being in the EU, to take the money put into the EU and say you could spend that on the NHS was plainly ridiculous.

This is what you get when you put the future in the hands of millions of idiots.
Perhaps not as they did vote the likes of Boris and Gove into power in the first place, gullibility beating common sense yet again! 


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Re: Brexit
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2018, 23:31:05 »
So, will there be another vote then?

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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2018, 13:14:21 »
fuck knows

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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2018, 14:06:05 »
No, there won't be another vote. Anyone individual can change their mind, we have elections regularly, but if you have a referendum then it is cast in stone and cannot be reversed apparently. It doesn't matter if it is going to be a complete fuck up. We must all pay because millions of idiots have spoken.

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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2018, 15:06:26 »
its the will of some people



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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2018, 19:21:49 »
Well you seem to pointing the finger at the common man who is an 'idiot'. Surely that's a bit a harsh because as 'the common man' that I am, and as I said in my original post, I know cock all about politics. Baring that in mind, where the hell are we supposed to stand in regards to these things? We all know that politicians are serial bullshitters so is it a case of vote for who you think is lying the least?

Plus the mention of the population having to live by the sword in regards to living with the repucusions of who they vote for and standing by whoever wins the election, didn't Labour win the last elevation and it was a case of tough shit cos Teresa decided to stand with the Irish lads so she could swing the votes in her favour?

Bare in mind that she was never voted in in the first place and just dived in once Cameron spat his dummy out.

So what power does the population have with their vote?

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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2018, 19:45:13 »
because of fptp our votes have no real power. you want to vote for the greens, lib dems, plaid etc? that ends up being a vote to help the  tories get in

we should never have been given the option to vote on this in the first place seeing as the average bloke on the street has no real clue what the eu really do. main reason i voted remain is the eu subsidise the fuck out of wales, if it was left to the english we would all be eating tom jones pubes in a mud hut in merthyr

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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2018, 20:04:45 »
For the first time in Mancs history, goaty tits has an extremely valid point, we should have never been given the vote in the first place!

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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2018, 21:13:14 »
Yep, 'democracy' is a joke. There's really no such thing when the person or persons who gets most votes doesn't win as happens in both the US and UK.

We only had a vote on Europe in the first place so Cameron could keep his party in line for a bit.

Sorry, but believing Gove, Boris, Farage about NHS funding is idiotic. Never mind, we are all idiots a lot of the time. That is why we are generally allowed to change our minds...

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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2018, 22:03:21 »
So, the answer is?

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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2018, 22:15:41 »
Blimey, I'd have to be a lot more intelligent to actually have answers as well as see the problems. Though it would be a good start to ensure that the person or persons with the most votes wins the election.

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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2018, 02:43:32 »
All of the people I've spoken to who voted to leave would change their vote if there was another referendum.  Most of them did as a protest vote.

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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2018, 09:20:39 »
There should be another referendum on the final agreement or no deal. As indicated previously, this insistence that the outcome of any referendum must be final is crazy and inconsistent. Nobody knew the detail of what was being voted for at the time. People should be allowed to change their minds as they often do on big decisions.

Democracy is a sham and isn't working but there is no real alternative except to improve it by making it by actually making the results reflect the votes cast. It is an embarrassing mess to have popular vote losers win the election. There is something badly wrong with the party and electoral systems when we end up with Trump, Johnson and the like as political leaders. It is very difficult to find a politician to take seriously at the moment.
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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2018, 13:46:22 »
vote for romario

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2018, 15:24:07 »
Good debate when half pissed on a Saturday night!

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« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2018, 01:53:10 »

we should never have been given the option to vote on this in the first place seeing as the average bloke on the street has no real clue what the eu really do.

Exactly that. Fucking Cameron ffs.

So, the answer is?

We're all feckin fecked

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« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2018, 01:56:22 »
There should be another referendum on the final agreement or no deal. As indicated previously, this insistence that the outcome of any referendum must be final is crazy and inconsistent. Nobody knew the detail of what was being voted for at the time. People should be allowed to change their minds as they often do on big decisions.

I'm all for a second referendum, but not much point in voting for a shit deal or no deal.

Wouldn't be surprised if the deadline was extended to December 2019 and binned off via a second 'people's vote'.

Brexit = lunacy.

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« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2018, 13:42:08 »
they had 40 years to come up with a plan and all weve had is some bollocks about fish and blue passports

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« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2018, 23:12:19 »
So, the answer is?

Major electoral reform and Proportional Representation might be a good start.

But you all voted that down in a referendum as well....

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« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2018, 08:25:46 »
Even the Daily Hate mail is printing quite negative pictures of brexit now... There's a turnaround.

Jacob Rees-Mogg is adamant the UK will be better off financially in the future. However, he's not sure if that's 10, 20, 50 or 100 years down the line. Sounds like an excellent platform for stability.   ::)

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« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2018, 13:33:27 »
Some kind of pre-vote testing should be brought in

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2018, 19:02:44 »
The EU started as a cartel for coal and steel. Its carried on much the same, its undemocratic, wastes loads of money. Massively overpaid Eurocrats. Saying all that, if it was just a free trade area, I could put up with it. But its a political project to become the united states of Europe. No thanks.

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« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2018, 21:22:00 »
Britain has a veto. It has not been forced into many aspects of the EU that other countries have agreed to. Whether this political project that you describe exists or not, there is absolutely no need for Britain to agree to it and, as has been shown, it could vote to leave anyway. If Britain does leave the EU, I reckon it will be back in in the next 20 years, with the Euro as currency and without the special vetoes it has negotiated over the years. The economic cost of Brexit will force Britain to go back cap in hand sooner or later. All the nationalistic chest beating in the world does not make a country an economic powerhouse.

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« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2018, 23:15:27 »
This "EU is undemocratic" nonsense makes me laugh. The EU has a reasonably sound democratic structure that all its member states and their populations can have a direct say in (should the lazy Brits bother to turn up and vote that is... but that's hardly the EU's fault.) There are checks and balances - nothing can be forced on Britain that it's government doesn't agree with. Contrary to the much repeated Brexit myth, the much maligned Eurocrats do not go around just making up laws and then forcing them on EU member populations. They can formulate policy (and enforce existing regulations) but all new EU laws have to be passed by the EU Parliament and ratified by the member state commissioners.

It's not perfect of course - all government systems have flaws and 'undemocratic' glitches, but compare it to Britain which still bumbles along using a voting system that hasn't evolved since the 1920's and produces governments with massive unassailable majorities in the House of Commons on as little as 40% of the popular vote. The European Parliament, and most its continental member states with their proportionally elected governments have better democratic representation than Britain ever has!


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« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2018, 23:37:54 »
There should be another referendum on the final agreement or no deal. As indicated previously, this insistence that the outcome of any referendum must be final is crazy and inconsistent. Nobody knew the detail of what was being voted for at the time. People should be allowed to change their minds as they often do on big decisions.

Democracy is a sham and isn't working but there is no real alternative except to improve it by making it by actually making the results reflect the votes cast. It is an embarrassing mess to have popular vote losers win the election. There is something badly wrong with the party and electoral systems when we end up with Trump, Johnson and the like as political leaders. It is very difficult to find a politician to take seriously at the moment.

City are top the league you misery.

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« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2018, 19:45:57 »
The commission brings in legislation. By the fact the commissioners are there, they are bound to be Euro evangilists. If the direction of the EU was moveable, responded to the wishes of the population in Europe, it would be more democratic. It isnt. The parliament is little more than a talking shop.

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« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2018, 14:03:47 »
Yes - the Commission can form legislation, but it can't become law without being passed by the European Parliament. 
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« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2018, 20:57:00 »
Neil, what makes you think UK 'democracy' is any better.

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« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2018, 16:33:20 »
Bringing forward for legislation in the UK is mainly via the government, private members bills or case law in the courts. The first two are instigated by directly elected representatives, the MPs. The legislation brought in by the government is linked to their manifestos which they parade to people at elections. If people dont like it, they vote them out.
In the EU commissioners are faceless Eurocrats, accountable to few and wont be pushed out if the electorate dont like what they are doing. Without looking one up, name a commissioner. I cant.
So in that way I would say it is more democratic in the UK.

I like Europe. I like the idea of a common market, free trade. I dont want a Union with them. I am not anti immigration, I would like merit based immigration, similar to Australias. That may well mean more immigration than we have now, there should not be quotas. Our country benefits from importing the best the whole world has to offer. 

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« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2018, 18:47:20 »
but why would the best want to come to this basket case country?

one look at the fucking tories will fuck that

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« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2018, 08:44:51 »
England is now shit.  End of statement.

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« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2018, 08:46:19 »
Michael Gove’s hot tip: hunt for gold in others’ rubbish

UK / England / Tories are succeeding in making Greece look prosperous and organised  :D

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« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2018, 11:36:40 »
we taking bets on who the brex cases blame when it all goes to shit?

probably still be foreigners

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« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2018, 06:17:53 »
I might go for an acca of Asians, anyone with an international baccalaureate diploma (foreign muck) and remainers.

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« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2018, 20:16:12 »
Some kind of pre-vote testing should be brought in

You mean an IQ test?

What's the criteria? +120 and not racist?

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« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2018, 11:36:06 »
do you understand the question and not racist will do

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« Reply #43 on: October 20, 2018, 09:27:32 »

In the EU commissioners are faceless Eurocrats, accountable to few and wont be pushed out if the electorate dont like what they are doing. Without looking one up, name a commissioner. I cant. 

Most people in the UK can't even name one of their local councillors - so not being able to name a Eurocrat hardly seems relevant?

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« Reply #44 on: October 20, 2018, 19:14:13 »
 MPs are the ones helping instigate primary legislation, not councillors. Wrong comparison.  You can vote out a councillor.

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« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2018, 01:39:29 »
As mention in previous replies - they can instigate primary legislation, but it can't become law without a vote in the European Parliament. Who do you think helps "instigate primary legislation" for MP's in Westminster? Un-elected Private Secretaries and their civil service departments. Granted, the euro commissioners do have some extraordinary powers (to enforce existing laws), but they cannot impose laws on the British people that have not already been passed in the elected chamber - any more than a British civil servant can do.

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« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2018, 13:38:24 »
The Euro MPs dont need anything except a big rubber stamp for laws not of their making. If UK legislation encounters problems suiting all parts of the UK, times that by 27 for the EU. Impossible.


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« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2018, 16:07:38 »
I just don't get how you think that UK legislation is aimed for the benefit of ordinary people anyway. Many of the important protections we have as individuals come from EU legislation. To my mind one set of idiotic wankers counter balances the other. The thought of a Tory government being able to do whatever it wants is scary indeed.

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« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2018, 21:18:01 »
If anyone thinks an MP in London gives a flying fuck about Dave the plumber from Stockport they're deluded.

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« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2018, 18:23:26 »
If anyone thinks an MP in London gives a flying fuck about Dave the plumber from Stockport they're deluded.
What about Aristotle in Athens? Will he care more.


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Re: Brexit
« Reply #50 on: October 28, 2018, 19:04:00 »
He's dead mate. So, no.

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« Reply #51 on: October 29, 2018, 11:32:42 »
thoughts and prayers greeko

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« Reply #52 on: October 29, 2018, 11:44:02 »
Thanks mate.  He died around 2300 years ago so I've pretty much come to terms with it now  :D

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« Reply #53 on: November 15, 2018, 11:25:44 »
hahahahahaha

thick cunts

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« Reply #54 on: November 15, 2018, 17:30:33 »
Christ, aids on toast this.

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« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2018, 12:34:23 »
Fucking hell the Tories are even dithering about getting rid of May, no wonder they can't run the country. If they do eventually decide to get rid we should have a general election, I've never liked this business of replacing the PM just because the PM's party are pissed off with their leadership.

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« Reply #56 on: November 16, 2018, 13:29:11 »
Does anyone know WTAF is happening?

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« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2018, 17:24:33 »
what 48% sort of predicted

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« Reply #58 on: November 17, 2018, 02:10:33 »
I am now as clear minded as I ever was. Confusion Theory reigns.

Abstract
Used the method of reproduction to measure the illusion generated by that Muller-Lyer figure with obliques directed inward. In Exp. I, the angle between the obliques and the shaft of the figure was varied. The illusion decreased with increasing angle of the obliques. In Exp. II, length of obliques was concomitantly varied with angle size so as to keep distance between opposite obliques constant. 34 undergraduates were used in both experiments. Exp. II showed no effect of the angle of the obliques, indicating that the Muller-Lyer illusion results in part from confusion of the shaft length with the distance between the ends of obliques. In Exp. III with 44 undergraduates, the distance between ends of obliques was varied along with the angle size in a factorial design. The results indicate a strong effect of the distance and an interaction between the 2 variables. The latter effect is also explainable by the confusion hypothesis. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2016 APA, all rights reserved)
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« Reply #59 on: November 17, 2018, 02:59:09 »
For those still confused here is a simple diagram.


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« Reply #60 on: November 17, 2018, 20:37:30 »
 ::) - reddishblue offering us a rare insight into Jose Mourinho's team talks and white board diagrams down at the swamp.

No wonder it's going so well.

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« Reply #61 on: November 19, 2018, 19:51:43 »
thoughts and prayers greeko
Superb

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #62 on: November 30, 2018, 23:29:26 »
"You crazy clack wanker"


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« Reply #63 on: December 01, 2018, 05:13:33 »
No. She's got it completely wrong. It won't be Apples we'll be eating, but spuds. We are completely self sufficient when it comes to the humble potato. There will be no shortage of them, and they are rich in vitamins and other minerals essential for our health and well-being. Other root vegetables such as swedes and turnips will also be readily available, so a road kill rabbit, or illegally poached trout from a nearby river mixed with those basic ingredients will make a tasty and nutritious stew.

Remoaners.............they don't know nuffink.
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« Reply #64 on: December 02, 2018, 03:03:07 »
The other day some grey haired ex-pat Brit in a shop (who presumably picked up on my accent) struck up an unwanted conversation with me about how wonderful Brexit is going to be - and how "British farmers will be supplying British milk, and produce, to British people!"  She then went on to inform me that Australian food was dreadful, and probably killing us because our food labelling and additive laws are "no where near as good as Britain's".

When I calmly pointed out that the UK's food regulations owed a considerable beneficial debt to EU regulation and compliance she screamed "Nonsense!" at me - and stormed out of the shop.

This is the quality of debate and misinformation we are dealing with.

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« Reply #65 on: December 02, 2018, 20:13:03 »
These idiots need to be stopped from voting on things. Referenda should be made illegal.

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« Reply #66 on: December 03, 2018, 07:21:30 »
Don't like Referenda either. Not the 'democratic silver bullet' everyone thinks they are. Too easily manipulated - and a long history of this.

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« Reply #67 on: December 03, 2018, 09:47:05 »
we are all kinds of fucked then. the electorate are fucking stupid and the the knobheads we pay to decide this kind of shit are fucking stupid

i vote we let the animals take over, president bear or some shit

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« Reply #68 on: December 03, 2018, 22:26:06 »
The other day some grey haired ex-pat Brit in a shop (who presumably picked up on my accent) struck up an unwanted conversation with me about how wonderful Brexit is going to be - and how "British farmers will be supplying British milk, and produce, to British people!"  She then went on to inform me that Australian food was dreadful, and probably killing us because our food labelling and additive laws are "no where near as good as Britain's".

When I calmly pointed out that the UK's food regulations owed a considerable beneficial debt to EU regulation and compliance she screamed "Nonsense!" at me - and stormed out of the shop.

This is the quality of debate and misinformation we are dealing with.
Presumably if post-Brexit Britain is going to be so wonderful she was on her way to book a one-way ticket back "home"?

Thought not...

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« Reply #69 on: December 03, 2018, 22:46:03 »
we are all kinds of fucked then. the electorate are fucking stupid and the the knobheads we pay to decide this kind of shit are fucking stupid

i vote we let the animals take over, president bear or some shit

Exactly this, probably minus the bear bit. (Probably.)

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« Reply #70 on: December 04, 2018, 22:22:47 »
Why not a bear? Surely better than the dog in charge now.

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« Reply #71 on: January 03, 2019, 02:40:23 »
we are all kinds of fucked then. the electorate are fucking stupid and the the knobheads we pay to decide this kind of shit are fucking stupid

i vote we let the animals take over, president bear or some shit

The brexiteers I know are like the horse in Animal Farm!

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #72 on: February 04, 2019, 06:17:57 »
Ireland is now centre of the Universe

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« Reply #73 on: February 04, 2019, 08:54:21 »
the trouble you cause stevie

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« Reply #74 on: February 04, 2019, 14:16:22 »
Ireland is now centre of the Universe
I'm sure the Alternative Arrangements Working Group will sort it all out!  :o

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47110641

Did they lift that name straight out of "Yes, Minister"??

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« Reply #75 on: February 04, 2019, 17:41:42 »

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #76 on: February 04, 2019, 19:07:32 »
probaby a more fitting brexit ted


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« Reply #77 on: February 04, 2019, 19:48:52 »
Fekin Greeks!

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #78 on: February 04, 2019, 20:54:31 »
Faciest's wear black and go around telling people what to do, whereas priests....

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« Reply #79 on: February 05, 2019, 17:11:51 »
Faciest's wear black and go around telling people what to do, whereas priests....
quality :D

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« Reply #80 on: February 22, 2019, 14:51:54 »
The people who voted on either side in Brexit were not knuckle draggers on one side and Einsteins on the other. Demonise and dehumanise your opponents seems more like a prelude to a war, or like the Nazis did to sections of their population.
That said, feck off remoaners. You have to pitch your argument to the lowest level for it to be understood...

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« Reply #81 on: February 22, 2019, 21:34:58 »
to be fair brexiters dont understand a lot

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« Reply #82 on: February 22, 2019, 21:57:31 »
To be fair I don't think anybody understood what a fucking farce it would turn out to be and it hasn't even happened yet. I still hope it won't.

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« Reply #83 on: February 23, 2019, 05:11:47 »
I still don't have a clue what the hells going on!

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« Reply #84 on: February 23, 2019, 13:54:22 »
congratulations, with that answer you are now the new head of brexit . piss can davies and the fella amazed there was water between us and  the rest of europe will be tough to beat

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« Reply #85 on: March 10, 2019, 02:25:05 »
I still don't have a clue what the hells going on!

You have considerably more knowledge than our glorious leaders in Westminster.




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« Reply #86 on: March 14, 2019, 02:03:24 »
The people who voted on either side in Brexit were not knuckle draggers on one side and Einsteins on the other. Demonise and dehumanise your opponents seems more like a prelude to a war, or like the Nazis did to sections of their population.
That said, feck off remoaners. You have to pitch your argument to the lowest level for it to be understood...

Nazis, war, knuckle draggers, Einstein.......

Do you mean a civil war which will be very polite, or just war, in a country where armaments are virtually impossible to own?

I love melodrama.



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« Reply #87 on: March 14, 2019, 11:32:23 »
twitter was a fucking laugh last night. i even treated myself to a look at the daily heil comments

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« Reply #88 on: March 14, 2019, 16:21:52 »
looks like a United Ireland could be on the cards

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« Reply #89 on: March 14, 2019, 17:43:18 »
you lucky fucker, wales is too gutless to sack england off

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« Reply #90 on: March 14, 2019, 19:07:29 »
Build a wall

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« Reply #91 on: March 14, 2019, 22:02:16 »
cant even do roads properly  :D

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« Reply #92 on: March 15, 2019, 22:33:11 »
looks like a United Ireland could be on the cards
I thought it already was rag central.  ;D

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« Reply #93 on: March 16, 2019, 10:44:46 »
Ireland is going to become the smuggling capital of Europe

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« Reply #94 on: March 17, 2019, 11:19:37 »
That said, feck off remoaners. You have to pitch your argument to the lowest level for it to be understood...

Err... not so sure the 'remoaners' have the monopoly on pitching arguments to the lowest level. Only a tiny number of brexiters have managed to present me with a fact based argument even vaguely capable of getting off the ground.

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« Reply #95 on: March 17, 2019, 13:30:38 »
By all accounts, there isn't one  :D

Absolute shambles.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #96 on: March 17, 2019, 13:37:55 »
The irony is the places that voted leave will be generally worst effected. London will be fine.


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« Reply #97 on: March 17, 2019, 14:07:48 »
and probably have the least immigration

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #98 on: March 17, 2019, 22:15:32 »
Have we been towed out into the middle of the Atlantic yet?

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« Reply #99 on: March 17, 2019, 22:20:47 »
The Azores will do for me.

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« Reply #100 on: March 18, 2019, 22:53:55 »
Bercow was a laugh today. However, this probably means paying politicians to talk even more about it. I'm guessing another 2 years.

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« Reply #101 on: March 18, 2019, 23:30:52 »
think we are getting closer to it being checked in the bin where it belongs


good news about the deal with liechtenstein tho eh

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« Reply #102 on: March 18, 2019, 23:41:29 »
Have you shifted yours funds over there?

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« Reply #103 on: March 18, 2019, 23:49:44 »
nah but shows what a global power we are to get them and the faroes tied down

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« Reply #104 on: March 18, 2019, 23:55:52 »
To save us all a few quid we could import sheep from Wales instead of the North Atlantic. Saves on the carbon footprint too.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2019, 00:02:29 by reddishblue »

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« Reply #105 on: March 19, 2019, 00:06:58 »
to eat i hope

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #106 on: March 19, 2019, 00:30:30 »
Only if necessary.

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« Reply #107 on: March 19, 2019, 15:40:28 »
getting to the embarrassing stage now . No leadership and a bunch of DUP wankers calling the shots


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« Reply #108 on: March 19, 2019, 16:30:13 »
should do all voting on a sunday, that will fuck the dup up

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #109 on: March 20, 2019, 01:38:36 »
Good news. We've agreed a trade deal with Iceland!

Relax. All will be good.

There's nothing wrong with Iceland of course, and I'm sure they will be beside themselves with glee at the prospect of importing bottles of HP sauce and Walkers crisps, both of which are owned by soap dodging smelly foreigners!

Daily Mail readers can barely contain themselves with the joy of it.

The world needs us more than we need them, after all.

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« Reply #110 on: March 20, 2019, 13:27:17 »
so two of our deals are with countries that love exporting fish


wasnt the whole point of brexit for about two weeks saving our fishermen

almost as if it was fear of little brown faces after all

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« Reply #111 on: March 20, 2019, 16:43:29 »
Haha.  Spot on.

Love the vote leavers on the street shouting they know what they voted for; they have no fucking clue.  The politicians who deal with this stuff every single day don't even have a fucking clue.  Pretty sure Darren the gritter from Sunderland doesn't know what the fuck is going on.


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« Reply #112 on: March 20, 2019, 22:10:06 »
I can't believe BBM started all this.

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« Reply #113 on: March 20, 2019, 22:49:42 »
Oi I didn't organise a fekin referendum!!

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« Reply #114 on: March 20, 2019, 23:00:32 »
Of course not. I just said you stated it.

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« Reply #115 on: March 20, 2019, 23:28:15 »
Good news. We've agreed a trade deal with Iceland!

Relax. All will be good.

There's nothing wrong with Iceland of course, and I'm sure they will be beside themselves with glee at the prospect of importing bottles of HP sauce and Walkers crisps, both of which are owned by soap dodging smelly foreigners!

Daily Mail readers can barely contain themselves with the joy of it.

The world needs us more than we need them, after all.

Can't we just nick their cod and start a war somewhere else as a distraction?

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« Reply #116 on: March 21, 2019, 08:21:20 »
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

May as well eh. Will of the people, etc.

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« Reply #117 on: March 21, 2019, 08:30:39 »
The will of the people was to leave the EU when the majority voted for that around 3 years ago mate.

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« Reply #118 on: March 21, 2019, 09:32:33 »
It was the will of some of the people

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« Reply #119 on: March 21, 2019, 11:16:49 »
The will of the people was to leave the EU when the majority voted for that around 3 years ago mate.

The reality now is a lot different to what was presented during that referendum 3 years ago. When we are being told that MPs must have a third vote on the same deal, why shouldn't people have a second vote based on the reality of the situation not a fantasy world that was presented by liars.

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« Reply #120 on: March 21, 2019, 11:50:29 »
Agree Gav. I think it speaks for itself that nobody, including myself and those in power, are still any more wise as to what is actually best for the country.

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« Reply #121 on: March 21, 2019, 11:57:23 »
staying in the eu is whats actually best mate

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« Reply #122 on: March 21, 2019, 12:01:55 »
I can help you with that. Its wiser to stay in and always was. There are numerous political issues with the EU with no doubt but its an economic no brainer. Personally, politically, I think it adds a useful barricade to Tory governments trampling across worker/consumer rights which is a very good thing. So, I've always been very pro EU.

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« Reply #123 on: March 21, 2019, 15:30:14 »
The will of the people was to leave the EU when the majority voted for that around 3 years ago mate.


I still don't have a clue what the hells going on!

Brexit in a microcosm    ;D :D

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« Reply #124 on: March 22, 2019, 02:23:08 »
Immigration will still occur, why limit where they come from? Why not limit where we can go at the same time...

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« Reply #125 on: March 23, 2019, 01:01:01 »
 Australia is only half full.

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« Reply #126 on: March 23, 2019, 02:59:31 »
For those still confused, this explains it all.


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« Reply #127 on: March 23, 2019, 14:11:36 »
Australia is only half full.

ken needs a lot of space

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« Reply #128 on: March 24, 2019, 23:28:27 »
Are we there yet?

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« Reply #129 on: March 27, 2019, 01:31:21 »
It's going to be good later today. BBC Parliament will be presenting a televisual feast and it will follow the usual format.

Concerned back benchers debating the issues in a measured and reasonable way for a couple of hours, then the chamber fills up up with the loons and other table thumpers, and nothing will change. Probably.

I do think it's funny though, the ire of the leavers getting upset about our sovereign parliament taking control! Oh, the irony.

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« Reply #130 on: March 27, 2019, 07:44:37 »
im moving back to italy..had enough of the shite here

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« Reply #131 on: March 27, 2019, 21:32:23 »
Bin the UK parliament and lets have direct rule from Brussels. They've been far more reasoned and organised about all of this.

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« Reply #132 on: April 09, 2019, 22:40:37 »
ken needs a lot of space

Indeed I do. Especially when I am waving my arms around watching City.

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« Reply #133 on: April 09, 2019, 22:49:38 »
mrs ken sleeping in the shed after that game?

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« Reply #134 on: April 10, 2019, 01:19:21 »
And she hasn't got up yet. Keeping well out of my way!  Cats are avoid me too.

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« Reply #135 on: April 10, 2019, 12:18:50 »
if pesty offers to look after them say no, especially the cats