How long does Pellegrini have now?

gavin · April 06, 2015, 22:37:09

Out of the last 11 matches, we have won 4 drawn 3 and lost 4. Mid table form. It has to improve soon or it could cost us. I don't think Pellegrini has any new ideas. We might click into gear into attack but he won't be able to sort the defence out as he hasn't all season. New ideas could be very handy at this stage.

I wouldn't put much money on Pellegrini being manager at the end of the season at this rate. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he went this week and I wouldn't argue with such a decision.

goat · April 06, 2015, 22:37:58

viera after the rags win

bluepill · April 06, 2015, 22:39:03

Tomorrow morning. There's no point dragging it out.

gavin · April 06, 2015, 22:40:17

Quote from: goat on April 06, 2015, 22:37:58
viera after the rags win

Short term it could be the answer. I mean even Psycho had a decent bounce effect on taking over. For next season we need someone with more of a track record.

Ludo · April 06, 2015, 22:46:15

I think they'll stick by him until the end of the season but he, along with our transfer dealers, are on a short rope.

goat · April 06, 2015, 22:47:26

Quote from: gavin on April 06, 2015, 22:40:17
Quote from: goat on April 06, 2015, 22:37:58
viera after the rags win

Short term it could be the answer. I mean even Psycho had a decent bounce effect on taking over. For next season we need someone with more of a track record.

i was thinking short term, no fucker will show up for last few games and anyone without a club now is shite

bluepill · April 06, 2015, 22:52:55

We still need to qualify for Champions league, and frankly do you trust him to do that?

If he's going just get rid right now, the only reason to keep him in these last few games would be that he's going to be at the helm next season.

After how previous managers have been moved on and the reasons given I can't see how his position is tennable.

Stephen Paul · April 07, 2015, 02:10:43

Gone after the rags game

KunDB · April 07, 2015, 06:58:48

Not a fan of getting rid of managers but Pelle is to blame for this decline.

Needless player rotation, poor tactics and set up, poor defence and free kicks and corners. All in all poor organisation.

Needs to go but not but no panic will wait until summer.

Txixi and Ferriano need to face a serious inquest and Pelles replacement needs to be a manager not a coach; that is picks transfer targets and team.

Swiss · April 07, 2015, 07:11:04

You've been gunning for sore-burger from the start. On paper they signed some good players. Is it their fault they're not performing or is it a coach problem?

Ludo · April 07, 2015, 08:15:19

I think we panicked a bit in the last summer transfer window and ended up getting shafted for Mangala and Fernando.

Coaching's got to be a problem too; we've no coherent structure to our play at times and our defence has turned to shit.

Neil Mcnab · April 07, 2015, 09:52:11

Unless there is an Advocaat type manager waiting to take over for the rest of the season, Pelle must surely be the best bet until the last fixture.

Burgerstain must go.

Rowley Birkin QC · April 07, 2015, 15:19:51

Hard to second-guess our owners on this one. Play it 'safe' and grimly hang on to Pellegrini in the hope we can still drag ourselves over the line in second or third place, or take a massive punt on a caretaker manager reinvigorating the team?

A bad lose to the rags and I'm sure the owners will be sorely tempted to ditch Pellers right then and there. Not because it's the rags, but because another defeat might make a top four finish start to look vulnerable.

A lot might depend on how Liverpool go against Newcastle on the Monday. If City slump at the swamp and Liverpool win I would not be surprised if Pellegrini is sacked on the Tuesday. But that will mean a caretaker manager and either way I think that's a big, high risk call. I wonder if the owners will have the balls to do it?

Sticking with Pellegrini might be the safer option. Not an option that fills me with any joy (ultimately, I think he has to go sooner rather than later) but personally I remain unconvinced that Liverpool are good enough (or City quite that bad enough) for them to close a 7 point gap, so fourth still looks relatively safe to me.

However, if our sole ambition now is just to consolidate fourth spot (and the prospect of a qualifying play off) than that's a very sorry state of affairs and really not good enough. Maybe we should have the courage to gamble? Bring in Viera (he'd me my first choice as well) and stir the buggers up. Not sure how he'll go, but I think a lot of the players will respect him and equally he won't take any shit from the egomaniacs. There will be blood on the carpet I think, with one or two never being seen in a City shirt again - but maybe some blood letting is what we need?

clevblue · April 07, 2015, 15:56:21

Interesting times. I'm still expecting a big upturn in our fortunes, perhaps it will be against the rags. I do think Pelle has lost control of things, it depends a lot on whether his experience will get us through the remaining however many games. I'm always positive (once I've cooled down) but I'm always aware that managers of middle eastern clubs get fired every week, and the Sheik won't give a second thought to whatever he thinks necessary

KunDB · April 07, 2015, 16:34:26

Quote from: Swiss on April 07, 2015, 07:11:04
You've been gunning for sore-burger from the start. On paper they signed some good players. Is it their fault they're not performing or is it a coach problem?

What is clear is some of our mega signings are anything other than mega and someone has to be held to account for a disasterous transfer policy not just Pelle.

Tricky Trev · April 07, 2015, 17:30:04

Having no manager would yield better results, how does he still have a job? Ridiculous.

The future is looking grim, as carragher said - the squad needs replacing big time. City have the funds, but are not able to spend. And have spent BIG money on players not delivering at all. Many players need to go, the problem is city won't get shit for them. While buying new players city style always costs more than it's worth. How can city renew their squad?

bluepill · April 07, 2015, 18:16:37

City, their.... =We, our

goat · April 07, 2015, 19:31:25

chuckle

Paul lakes knee · April 08, 2015, 08:13:30

It all seems to be hotting up in the press this morning- I really like Pellegrini, but for teh life of me there is 1 thing I can't understand. Remember when we had all those strikers out and we had to play 4-5-1 or at times 4-6-0? We were brilliant and went on a great run- as soon as the strikers are back we go 442 and since then we have been shite!

bluebrendan · April 08, 2015, 08:58:32

Quote from: Paul lakes knee on April 08, 2015, 08:13:30
It all seems to be hotting up in the press this morning- I really like Pellegrini, but for teh life of me there is 1 thing I can't understand. Remember when we had all those strikers out and we had to play 4-5-1 or at times 4-6-0? We were brilliant and went on a great run- as soon as the strikers are back we go 442 and since then we have been shite!

We bossed the midfield in those games with the extra numbers and moved Silva into a more central role from where he scored 4 goals in 6 games IIRC.

Ludo · April 08, 2015, 09:54:30

Food for thought for Sunday possibly.

goat · April 08, 2015, 12:07:20

Quote from: Paul lakes knee on April 08, 2015, 08:13:30
It all seems to be hotting up in the press this morning- I really like Pellegrini, but for teh life of me there is 1 thing I can't understand. Remember when we had all those strikers out and we had to play 4-5-1 or at times 4-6-0? We were brilliant and went on a great run- as soon as the strikers are back we go 442 and since then we have been shite!

add the spanish lad insisting city will play 4-3-3 like barca and it shows what a massive ballache this is becoming on and off the pitch

have we played it once this season?

bry the guy · April 08, 2015, 13:32:36

Quote from: Rowley Birkin QC on April 07, 2015, 15:19:51
Hard to second-guess our owners on this one. Play it 'safe' and grimly hang on to Pellegrini in the hope we can still drag ourselves over the line in second or third place, or take a massive punt on a caretaker manager reinvigorating the team?

A bad lose to the rags and I'm sure the owners will be sorely tempted to ditch Pellers right then and there. Not because it's the rags, but because another defeat might make a top four finish start to look vulnerable.

A lot might depend on how Liverpool go against Newcastle on the Monday. If City slump at the swamp and Liverpool win I would not be surprised if Pellegrini is sacked on the Tuesday. But that will mean a caretaker manager and either way I think that's a big, high risk call. I wonder if the owners will have the balls to do it?

Sticking with Pellegrini might be the safer option. Not an option that fills me with any joy (ultimately, I think he has to go sooner rather than later) but personally I remain unconvinced that Liverpool are good enough (or City quite that bad enough) for them to close a 7 point gap, so fourth still looks relatively safe to me.

However, if our sole ambition now is just to consolidate fourth spot (and the prospect of a qualifying play off) than that's a very sorry state of affairs and really not good enough. Maybe we should have the courage to gamble? Bring in Viera (he'd me my first choice as well) and stir the buggers up. Not sure how he'll go, but I think a lot of the players will respect him and equally he won't take any shit from the egomaniacs. There will be blood on the carpet I think, with one or two never being seen in a City shirt again - but maybe some blood letting is what we need?

I wanted Viera but im sure he hasnt quallifid for all his coaching badges yet and i believe his contract is up in the summer and they havent offered him another one.

Sean · April 11, 2015, 23:12:36

Some of the players have to be blamed as well.

Swiss · April 12, 2015, 17:38:12

About 15 minutes

Tricky Trev · April 12, 2015, 17:45:55

If he still has a job the next week I'm going to drag him out of the country myself.

Swiss · April 12, 2015, 17:47:24

If he's still here next week, might see some fan protests

Ludo · April 12, 2015, 18:30:27

Tick-tock......

Stephen Paul · April 12, 2015, 19:24:50

gone in the morning

bry the guy · April 12, 2015, 19:46:34

He ain't going anywhere until we get a replacement or he would have gone last week

Stephen Paul · April 12, 2015, 19:50:45

Viera tempory

bry the guy · April 12, 2015, 19:54:03

Quote from: stephenmcfc on April 12, 2015, 19:50:45
Viera tempory

not got all his badges yet and out of contract in summer and no offer of a new one

KunDB · April 12, 2015, 20:04:02

Still say gone Summer.

bluebrendan · April 12, 2015, 23:22:34

Quote from: Zabba on April 12, 2015, 20:04:02
Still say gone Summer.

If so we won't be in the CL next season, I wouldn't say he's lost the plot as defensively he never had it IMO but that team definitely isn't arsed whether he stays or goes.

goat · April 13, 2015, 13:43:06

should just ask the players who they actually want

clevblue · April 14, 2015, 06:07:03

You'd have a list of eleven different managers then!

Anyway, it's monday morning has he gone yet? I don't think he's going anywhere for now, and at least we can't be relegated this season.

All the bloody fuss about the Rags - there wasn't half as much when we were winning - and it's only temporary - it's all just noise

lee · April 14, 2015, 09:26:35

Quote from: clevblue on April 14, 2015, 06:07:03
You'd have a list of eleven different managers then!

Anyway, it's monday morning has he gone yet? I don't think he's going anywhere for now, and at least we can't be relegated this season.

All the bloody fuss about the Rags - there wasn't half as much when we were winning - and it's only temporary - it's all just noise

won the world cup on sunday

Tricky Trev · April 14, 2015, 11:49:16

What's temporary? The rags being the big brother again? Do you honestly believe that? They have made an incredible recovery after falling down the pecking order with Moyes. City have a huge squad with players that desperately needs replacing. Either they are too old, overpriced squad players or simply not hungry enough. At the moment the challenge before city seems immense, as we cannot spend a lot of money before we sell the junk. Which we will get shit for - the usual city business way. This could take time. And there is no sign that the rags should weaken, they will mostly like only gain and sprint ahead - they where supposed to struggle with finances and stay behind city?! While city spend a season or two to make another title challenge - maybe even worse.

I don't think that is very negative and unrealistic.

goat · April 14, 2015, 13:50:18

Quote from: clevblue on April 14, 2015, 06:07:03
You'd have a list of eleven different managers then!

nah, yaya would threaten to rape and eat the smaller players till he got his way

KunDB · April 14, 2015, 19:26:12

I just cannot see the owners panicking at this late stage. Yes top 4 is at risk but even if Pelle wins all our remaining games he should still go.

What is abundantly clear is that we are a very badly organised team, tactically naÃ¯ve and Pelle is unable to react to changes in matches and players are badly motivated and bonded.

I would hate 'Pelle the Engineer' to build a skyscraper that I would have to be in. He would forget to plan the foundations.

The hierarchy at City will keep calm for now, but he Pelle is toast come season end and Txixi should be packing his bags with him.

Pity really because Pelle is a likeable person, albeit stubborn and very poor as a football manager.

goat · April 14, 2015, 20:12:11

we dont really know what is going on tho do we

seems similar to the end of mancini with all the player power shit so whos to say that pelle doesnt have his tactics spot on but on the pitch they just get ignored, cant imagine he tells yaya to stroll around like hes got a fag on

players get away with too much with the fans, always easier to blame the manager

Swiss · April 14, 2015, 21:58:19

Part right: But if a Manger/Coach can't control how his players play, you weed out the ones who don't listen, get a stronger manager in who can bitch slap them about... or both.

goat · April 14, 2015, 22:11:11

and then they start to cry or fuck off to argentina to play golf

should make sure every player has a dont act a twot clause in his contract

KunDB · April 14, 2015, 22:15:50

Yep sadly we only know what goes on match days, and that is not good. Tactics and set up are not good that bit is clear and it has been a disaster waiting to happen all year. The only thing preventing an earlier collapse was all our strikers getting injured causing our tactics and form to change and improve.

Swiss · April 15, 2015, 19:40:33

I'd like a manager with a plan b

goat · April 15, 2015, 19:41:43

plan a will do for now

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lee