The whole thing seems to have been an absolute sham from the beginning.
I'm not all that clued up on politics and voted leave pretty much due to the promises made in favour of the NHS.
Those promises haven't been kept (shocker) plus the whole set up for the referendum was rushed and the voters weren't informed properly of the effects of each potential result.
There has been plenty of talk of a do over, which I am fully in favour of as I would definitely change my vote and after becoming more aware of the situation, I'm sure many others would change their vote too.
good lad
Cheers dad
if i was your dad id have beat the shit out of you for doing something that stupid in the first place
cant see it being cancelled
best we will probably get is a vote on taking no deal or whatever useless shit the tories have left scribbled on a fag packet that the e.u hasnt laughed out the room
Given the people making the promises regards NHS funding it amazes me the people believed them at all. They were clearly oversimplified bollocks from the very start. There is a myriad of benefits and losses from being in the EU, to take the money put into the EU and say you could spend that on the NHS was plainly ridiculous.
This is what you get when you put the future in the hands of millions of idiots.
would help if they had the right amount in the first place
Quote from: gavin on September 04, 2018, 07:32:29
Given the people making the promises regards NHS funding it amazes me the people believed them at all. They were clearly oversimplified bollocks from the very start. There is a myriad of benefits and losses from being in the EU, to take the money put into the EU and say you could spend that on the NHS was plainly ridiculous.
This is what you get when you put the future in the hands of millions of idiots.
Perhaps not as they did vote the likes of Boris and Gove into power in the first place, gullibility beating common sense yet again!
So, will there be another vote then?
fuck knows
No, there won't be another vote. Anyone individual can change their mind, we have elections regularly, but if you have a referendum then it is cast in stone and cannot be reversed apparently. It doesn't matter if it is going to be a complete fuck up. We must all pay because millions of idiots have spoken.
its the will of some people
Well you seem to pointing the finger at the common man who is an 'idiot'. Surely that's a bit a harsh because as 'the common man' that I am, and as I said in my original post, I know cock all about politics. Baring that in mind, where the hell are we supposed to stand in regards to these things? We all know that politicians are serial bullshitters so is it a case of vote for who you think is lying the least?
Plus the mention of the population having to live by the sword in regards to living with the repucusions of who they vote for and standing by whoever wins the election, didn't Labour win the last elevation and it was a case of tough shit cos Teresa decided to stand with the Irish lads so she could swing the votes in her favour?
Bare in mind that she was never voted in in the first place and just dived in once Cameron spat his dummy out.
So what power does the population have with their vote?
because of fptp our votes have no real power. you want to vote for the greens, lib dems, plaid etc? that ends up being a vote to help the tories get in
we should never have been given the option to vote on this in the first place seeing as the average bloke on the street has no real clue what the eu really do. main reason i voted remain is the eu subsidise the fuck out of wales, if it was left to the english we would all be eating tom jones pubes in a mud hut in merthyr
For the first time in Mancs history, goaty tits has an extremely valid point, we should have never been given the vote in the first place!
Yep, 'democracy' is a joke. There's really no such thing when the person or persons who gets most votes doesn't win as happens in both the US and UK.
We only had a vote on Europe in the first place so Cameron could keep his party in line for a bit.
Sorry, but believing Gove, Boris, Farage about NHS funding is idiotic. Never mind, we are all idiots a lot of the time. That is why we are generally allowed to change our minds...
So, the answer is?
Blimey, I'd have to be a lot more intelligent to actually have answers as well as see the problems. Though it would be a good start to ensure that the person or persons with the most votes wins the election.
All of the people I've spoken to who voted to leave would change their vote if there was another referendum. Most of them did as a protest vote.
There should be another referendum on the final agreement or no deal. As indicated previously, this insistence that the outcome of any referendum must be final is crazy and inconsistent. Nobody knew the detail of what was being voted for at the time. People should be allowed to change their minds as they often do on big decisions.
Democracy is a sham and isn't working but there is no real alternative except to improve it by making it by actually making the results reflect the votes cast. It is an embarrassing mess to have popular vote losers win the election. There is something badly wrong with the party and electoral systems when we end up with Trump, Johnson and the like as political leaders. It is very difficult to find a politician to take seriously at the moment.
vote for romario
Good debate when half pissed on a Saturday night!
Quote from: goat on September 08, 2018, 19:45:13
we should never have been given the option to vote on this in the first place seeing as the average bloke on the street has no real clue what the eu really do.
Exactly that. Fucking Cameron ffs.
Quote from: The Blue Blooded Maniac on September 08, 2018, 22:03:21
So, the answer is?
We're all feckin fecked
Quote from: gavin on September 09, 2018, 09:20:39
There should be another referendum on the final agreement or no deal. As indicated previously, this insistence that the outcome of any referendum must be final is crazy and inconsistent. Nobody knew the detail of what was being voted for at the time. People should be allowed to change their minds as they often do on big decisions.
I'm all for a second referendum, but not much point in voting for a shit deal or no deal.
Wouldn't be surprised if the deadline was extended to December 2019 and binned off via a second 'people's vote'.
Brexit = lunacy.
they had 40 years to come up with a plan and all weve had is some bollocks about fish and blue passports
Quote from: The Blue Blooded Maniac on September 08, 2018, 22:03:21
So, the answer is?
Major electoral reform and Proportional Representation might be a good start.
But you all voted that down in a referendum as well....
Even the Daily Hate mail is printing quite negative pictures of brexit now... There's a turnaround.
Jacob Rees-Mogg is adamant the UK will be better off financially in the future. However, he's not sure if that's 10, 20, 50 or 100 years down the line. Sounds like an excellent platform for stability. ::)
Some kind of pre-vote testing should be brought in
The EU started as a cartel for coal and steel. Its carried on much the same, its undemocratic, wastes loads of money. Massively overpaid Eurocrats. Saying all that, if it was just a free trade area, I could put up with it. But its a political project to become the united states of Europe. No thanks.
Britain has a veto. It has not been forced into many aspects of the EU that other countries have agreed to. Whether this political project that you describe exists or not, there is absolutely no need for Britain to agree to it and, as has been shown, it could vote to leave anyway. If Britain does leave the EU, I reckon it will be back in in the next 20 years, with the Euro as currency and without the special vetoes it has negotiated over the years. The economic cost of Brexit will force Britain to go back cap in hand sooner or later. All the nationalistic chest beating in the world does not make a country an economic powerhouse.
This "EU is undemocratic" nonsense makes me laugh. The EU has a reasonably sound democratic structure that all its member states and their populations can have a direct say in (should the lazy Brits bother to turn up and vote that is... but that's hardly the EU's fault.) There are checks and balances - nothing can be forced on Britain that it's government doesn't agree with. Contrary to the much repeated Brexit myth, the much maligned Eurocrats do not go around just making up laws and then forcing them on EU member populations. They can formulate policy (and enforce existing regulations) but all new EU laws have to be passed by the EU Parliament and ratified by the member state commissioners.
It's not perfect of course - all government systems have flaws and 'undemocratic' glitches, but compare it to Britain which still bumbles along using a voting system that hasn't evolved since the 1920's and produces governments with massive unassailable majorities in the House of Commons on as little as 40% of the popular vote. The European Parliament, and most its continental member states with their proportionally elected governments have better democratic representation than Britain ever has!
Quote from: gavin on September 09, 2018, 09:20:39
There should be another referendum on the final agreement or no deal. As indicated previously, this insistence that the outcome of any referendum must be final is crazy and inconsistent. Nobody knew the detail of what was being voted for at the time. People should be allowed to change their minds as they often do on big decisions.
Democracy is a sham and isn't working but there is no real alternative except to improve it by making it by actually making the results reflect the votes cast. It is an embarrassing mess to have popular vote losers win the election. There is something badly wrong with the party and electoral systems when we end up with Trump, Johnson and the like as political leaders. It is very difficult to find a politician to take seriously at the moment.
City are top the league you misery.
The commission brings in legislation. By the fact the commissioners are there, they are bound to be Euro evangilists. If the direction of the EU was moveable, responded to the wishes of the population in Europe, it would be more democratic. It isnt. The parliament is little more than a talking shop.
Yes - the Commission can form legislation, but it can't become law without being passed by the European Parliament.
Neil, what makes you think UK 'democracy' is any better.
Bringing forward for legislation in the UK is mainly via the government, private members bills or case law in the courts. The first two are instigated by directly elected representatives, the MPs. The legislation brought in by the government is linked to their manifestos which they parade to people at elections. If people dont like it, they vote them out.
In the EU commissioners are faceless Eurocrats, accountable to few and wont be pushed out if the electorate dont like what they are doing. Without looking one up, name a commissioner. I cant.
So in that way I would say it is more democratic in the UK.
I like Europe. I like the idea of a common market, free trade. I dont want a Union with them. I am not anti immigration, I would like merit based immigration, similar to Australias. That may well mean more immigration than we have now, there should not be quotas. Our country benefits from importing the best the whole world has to offer.
but why would the best want to come to this basket case country?
one look at the fucking tories will fuck that
England is now shit. End of statement.
Michael Gove’s hot tip: hunt for gold in others’ rubbish (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/michael-goves-hot-tip-hunt-for-gold-in-others-rubbish-vk60ck53p)
UK / England / Tories are succeeding in making Greece look prosperous and organised :D
we taking bets on who the brex cases blame when it all goes to shit?
probably still be foreigners
I might go for an acca of Asians, anyone with an international baccalaureate diploma (foreign muck) and remainers.
Quote from: goat on September 15, 2018, 13:33:27
Some kind of pre-vote testing should be brought in
You mean an IQ test?
What's the criteria? +120 and not racist?
do you understand the question and not racist will do
Quote from: Neil Mcnab on October 06, 2018, 16:33:20
In the EU commissioners are faceless Eurocrats, accountable to few and wont be pushed out if the electorate dont like what they are doing. Without looking one up, name a commissioner. I cant.
Most people in the UK can't even name one of their local councillors - so not being able to name a Eurocrat hardly seems relevant?
MPs are the ones helping instigate primary legislation, not councillors. Wrong comparison. You can vote out a councillor.
As mention in previous replies - they can instigate primary legislation, but it can't become law without a vote in the European Parliament. Who do you think helps "instigate primary legislation" for MP's in Westminster? Un-elected Private Secretaries and their civil service departments. Granted, the euro commissioners do have some extraordinary powers (to enforce existing laws), but they cannot impose laws on the British people that have not already been passed in the elected chamber - any more than a British civil servant can do.
The Euro MPs dont need anything except a big rubber stamp for laws not of their making. If UK legislation encounters problems suiting all parts of the UK, times that by 27 for the EU. Impossible.
I just don't get how you think that UK legislation is aimed for the benefit of ordinary people anyway. Many of the important protections we have as individuals come from EU legislation. To my mind one set of idiotic wankers counter balances the other. The thought of a Tory government being able to do whatever it wants is scary indeed.
If anyone thinks an MP in London gives a flying fuck about Dave the plumber from Stockport they're deluded.
Quote from: Lekos on October 23, 2018, 21:18:01
If anyone thinks an MP in London gives a flying fuck about Dave the plumber from Stockport they're deluded.
What about Aristotle in Athens? Will he care more.
He's dead mate. So, no.
thoughts and prayers greeko
Thanks mate. He died around 2300 years ago so I've pretty much come to terms with it now :D
hahahahahaha
thick cunts
Christ, aids on toast this.
Fucking hell the Tories are even dithering about getting rid of May, no wonder they can't run the country. If they do eventually decide to get rid we should have a general election, I've never liked this business of replacing the PM just because the PM's party are pissed off with their leadership.
Does anyone know WTAF is happening?
what 48% sort of predicted
I am now as clear minded as I ever was. Confusion Theory reigns.
Abstract
Used the method of reproduction to measure the illusion generated by that Muller-Lyer figure with obliques directed inward. In Exp. I, the angle between the obliques and the shaft of the figure was varied. The illusion decreased with increasing angle of the obliques. In Exp. II, length of obliques was concomitantly varied with angle size so as to keep distance between opposite obliques constant. 34 undergraduates were used in both experiments. Exp. II showed no effect of the angle of the obliques, indicating that the Muller-Lyer illusion results in part from confusion of the shaft length with the distance between the ends of obliques. In Exp. III with 44 undergraduates, the distance between ends of obliques was varied along with the angle size in a factorial design. The results indicate a strong effect of the distance and an interaction between the 2 variables. The latter effect is also explainable by the confusion hypothesis. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2016 APA, all rights reserved)
For those still confused here is a simple diagram.
(https://i2.wp.com/corrupttheyouth.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Muller_Lyer_illusion.png?ssl=1)
::) - reddishblue offering us a rare insight into Jose Mourinho's team talks and white board diagrams down at the swamp.
No wonder it's going so well.
"You crazy clack wanker"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC8dht3AmPg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC8dht3AmPg)
No. She's got it completely wrong. It won't be Apples we'll be eating, but spuds. We are completely self sufficient when it comes to the humble potato. There will be no shortage of them, and they are rich in vitamins and other minerals essential for our health and well-being. Other root vegetables such as swedes and turnips will also be readily available, so a road kill rabbit, or illegally poached trout from a nearby river mixed with those basic ingredients will make a tasty and nutritious stew.
Remoaners.............they don't know nuffink.
The other day some grey haired ex-pat Brit in a shop (who presumably picked up on my accent) struck up an unwanted conversation with me about how wonderful Brexit is going to be - and how "British farmers will be supplying British milk, and produce, to British people!" She then went on to inform me that Australian food was dreadful, and probably killing us because our food labelling and additive laws are "no where near as good as Britain's".
When I calmly pointed out that the UK's food regulations owed a considerable beneficial debt to EU regulation and compliance she screamed "Nonsense!" at me - and stormed out of the shop.
This is the quality of debate and misinformation we are dealing with.
These idiots need to be stopped from voting on things. Referenda should be made illegal.
Don't like Referenda either. Not the 'democratic silver bullet' everyone thinks they are. Too easily manipulated - and a long history of this.
we are all kinds of fucked then. the electorate are fucking stupid and the the knobheads we pay to decide this kind of shit are fucking stupid
i vote we let the animals take over, president bear or some shit
Quote from: Rowley Birkin QC on December 02, 2018, 03:03:07
The other day some grey haired ex-pat Brit in a shop (who presumably picked up on my accent) struck up an unwanted conversation with me about how wonderful Brexit is going to be - and how "British farmers will be supplying British milk, and produce, to British people!" She then went on to inform me that Australian food was dreadful, and probably killing us because our food labelling and additive laws are "no where near as good as Britain's".
When I calmly pointed out that the UK's food regulations owed a considerable beneficial debt to EU regulation and compliance she screamed "Nonsense!" at me - and stormed out of the shop.
This is the quality of debate and misinformation we are dealing with.
Presumably if post-Brexit Britain is going to be so wonderful she was on her way to book a one-way ticket back "home"?
Thought not...
Quote from: goat on December 03, 2018, 09:47:05
we are all kinds of fucked then. the electorate are fucking stupid and the the knobheads we pay to decide this kind of shit are fucking stupid
i vote we let the animals take over, president bear or some shit
Exactly this, probably minus the bear bit. (Probably.)
Why not a bear? Surely better than the dog in charge now.
Quote from: goat on December 03, 2018, 09:47:05
we are all kinds of fucked then. the electorate are fucking stupid and the the knobheads we pay to decide this kind of shit are fucking stupid
i vote we let the animals take over, president bear or some shit
The brexiteers I know are like the horse in Animal Farm!
Ireland is now centre of the Universe
the trouble you cause stevie
Quote from: stephenmcfc on February 04, 2019, 06:17:57
Ireland is now centre of the Universe
I'm sure the Alternative Arrangements Working Group will sort it all out! :o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47110641
Did they lift that name straight out of "Yes, Minister"??
Quote from: goat on February 04, 2019, 08:54:21
the trouble you cause stevie
https://youtu.be/YnNhd7dLj3w (https://youtu.be/YnNhd7dLj3w)
probaby a more fitting brexit ted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zkL91LzCMc
Fekin Greeks!
Faciest's wear black and go around telling people what to do, whereas priests....
Quote from: The Blue Blooded Maniac on February 04, 2019, 20:54:31
Faciest's wear black and go around telling people what to do, whereas priests....
quality :D
The people who voted on either side in Brexit were not knuckle draggers on one side and Einsteins on the other. Demonise and dehumanise your opponents seems more like a prelude to a war, or like the Nazis did to sections of their population.
That said, feck off remoaners. You have to pitch your argument to the lowest level for it to be understood...
to be fair brexiters dont understand a lot
To be fair I don't think anybody understood what a fucking farce it would turn out to be and it hasn't even happened yet. I still hope it won't.
I still don't have a clue what the hells going on!
congratulations, with that answer you are now the new head of brexit . piss can davies and the fella amazed there was water between us and the rest of europe will be tough to beat
Quote from: The Blue Blooded Maniac on February 23, 2019, 05:11:47
I still don't have a clue what the hells going on!
You have considerably more knowledge than our glorious leaders in Westminster.
Quote from: Neil Mcnab on February 22, 2019, 14:51:54
The people who voted on either side in Brexit were not knuckle draggers on one side and Einsteins on the other. Demonise and dehumanise your opponents seems more like a prelude to a war, or like the Nazis did to sections of their population.
That said, feck off remoaners. You have to pitch your argument to the lowest level for it to be understood...
Nazis, war, knuckle draggers, Einstein.......
Do you mean a civil war which will be very polite, or just war, in a country where armaments are virtually impossible to own?
I love melodrama.
twitter was a fucking laugh last night. i even treated myself to a look at the daily heil comments
looks like a United Ireland could be on the cards
you lucky fucker, wales is too gutless to sack england off
Build a wall
cant even do roads properly :D
Quote from: stephenmcfc on March 14, 2019, 16:21:52
looks like a United Ireland could be on the cards
I thought it already was rag central. ;D
Ireland is going to become the smuggling capital of Europe
Quote from: Neil Mcnab on February 22, 2019, 14:51:54
That said, feck off remoaners. You have to pitch your argument to the lowest level for it to be understood...
Err... not so sure the 'remoaners' have the monopoly on pitching arguments to the lowest level. Only a tiny number of brexiters have managed to present me with a fact based argument even vaguely capable of getting off the ground.
By all accounts, there isn't one :D
Absolute shambles.
The irony is the places that voted leave will be generally worst effected. London will be fine.
and probably have the least immigration
Have we been towed out into the middle of the Atlantic yet?
The Azores will do for me.
Bercow was a laugh today. However, this probably means paying politicians to talk even more about it. I'm guessing another 2 years.
think we are getting closer to it being checked in the bin where it belongs
good news about the deal with liechtenstein tho eh
Have you shifted yours funds over there?
nah but shows what a global power we are to get them and the faroes tied down
To save us all a few quid we could import sheep from Wales instead of the North Atlantic. Saves on the carbon footprint too.
to eat i hope
Only if necessary.
getting to the embarrassing stage now . No leadership and a bunch of DUP wankers calling the shots
should do all voting on a sunday, that will fuck the dup up
Good news. We've agreed a trade deal with Iceland!
Relax. All will be good.
There's nothing wrong with Iceland of course, and I'm sure they will be beside themselves with glee at the prospect of importing bottles of HP sauce and Walkers crisps, both of which are owned by soap dodging smelly foreigners!
Daily Mail readers can barely contain themselves with the joy of it.
The world needs us more than we need them, after all.
so two of our deals are with countries that love exporting fish
wasnt the whole point of brexit for about two weeks saving our fishermen
almost as if it was fear of little brown faces after all
Haha. Spot on.
Love the vote leavers on the street shouting they know what they voted for; they have no fucking clue. The politicians who deal with this stuff every single day don't even have a fucking clue. Pretty sure Darren the gritter from Sunderland doesn't know what the fuck is going on.
I can't believe BBM started all this.
Oi I didn't organise a fekin referendum!!
Of course not. I just said you stated it.
Quote from: Bowdonblue on March 20, 2019, 01:38:36
Good news. We've agreed a trade deal with Iceland!
Relax. All will be good.
There's nothing wrong with Iceland of course, and I'm sure they will be beside themselves with glee at the prospect of importing bottles of HP sauce and Walkers crisps, both of which are owned by soap dodging smelly foreigners!
Daily Mail readers can barely contain themselves with the joy of it.
The world needs us more than we need them, after all.
Can't we just nick their cod and start a war somewhere else as a distraction?
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584 (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584)
May as well eh. Will of the people, etc.
The will of the people was to leave the EU when the majority voted for that around 3 years ago mate.
It was the will of some of the people
Quote from: The Blue Blooded Maniac on March 21, 2019, 08:30:39
The will of the people was to leave the EU when the majority voted for that around 3 years ago mate.
The reality now is a lot different to what was presented during that referendum 3 years ago. When we are being told that MPs must have a third vote on the same deal, why shouldn't people have a second vote based on the reality of the situation not a fantasy world that was presented by liars.
Agree Gav. I think it speaks for itself that nobody, including myself and those in power, are still any more wise as to what is actually best for the country.
staying in the eu is whats actually best mate
I can help you with that. Its wiser to stay in and always was. There are numerous political issues with the EU with no doubt but its an economic no brainer. Personally, politically, I think it adds a useful barricade to Tory governments trampling across worker/consumer rights which is a very good thing. So, I've always been very pro EU.
Quote from: The Blue Blooded Maniac on March 21, 2019, 08:30:39
The will of the people was to leave the EU when the majority voted for that around 3 years ago mate.
Quote from: The Blue Blooded Maniac on February 23, 2019, 05:11:47
I still don't have a clue what the hells going on!
Brexit in a microcosm ;D :D
Immigration will still occur, why limit where they come from? Why not limit where we can go at the same time...
Australia is only half full.
For those still confused, this explains it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IL2XwSkFJQ&t=30s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IL2XwSkFJQ&t=30s)
Quote from: reddishblue on March 23, 2019, 01:01:01
Australia is only half full.
ken needs a lot of space
Are we there yet?
It's going to be good later today. BBC Parliament will be presenting a televisual feast and it will follow the usual format.
Concerned back benchers debating the issues in a measured and reasonable way for a couple of hours, then the chamber fills up up with the loons and other table thumpers, and nothing will change. Probably.
I do think it's funny though, the ire of the leavers getting upset about our sovereign parliament taking control! Oh, the irony.
im moving back to italy..had enough of the shite here
Bin the UK parliament and lets have direct rule from Brussels. They've been far more reasoned and organised about all of this.
Quote from: goat on March 23, 2019, 14:11:36
ken needs a lot of space
Indeed I do. Especially when I am waving my arms around watching City.
mrs ken sleeping in the shed after that game?
And she hasn't got up yet. Keeping well out of my way! Cats are avoid me too.
if pesty offers to look after them say no, especially the cats
Anyone any wiser to what's going on?
Boris is hoping if he denies reality and tells enough lies to enough people it will sort the problem.
Is that what they teach all of them on day one at politics school?
Politics school = Eton. Day 2 lessons consist of learning how to be a self serving bastard.
day 3 is how to deal with a broken arse
It's nice of you to share your vast experience of such, professor Goaty Tits!
private school innit, shitting knob yoghurt and fucking up the country is all they do there
Squeel like a pig!!
oh aye, cameron has a book out
Day 4, back stabbing lessons.
Johnson acted unlawfully in proroguing parliament. Who knew the Tories were crooks!
Further clarification of the latest shenanigans. "A fucking football team of justice".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNjvrTPjVgM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNjvrTPjVgM)
I think a no deal Brexit is more likely after today’s news.
Not a good outcome.
I'm kind of getting the impression now that the House of Commons could vote to revoke article 50 if Boris persuades an EU member to block an extension or finds some other means to do it.
We're all living in a Monty Python sketch, the longer it goes on the more convinced I am.
Might have posted this before, a perfect summary so WTF.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1FfrnOXGHg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1FfrnOXGHg)
Quote from: gavin on October 09, 2019, 21:26:11
I'm kind of getting the impression now that the House of Commons could vote to revoke article 50 if Boris persuades an EU member to block an extension or finds some other means to do it.
probably get good money on hungary saying no for a few quid
I can’t believe any EU country would veto an extension. The rest of the EU would have a hissy fit I think.
I do think a no deal is getting very likely. This is how I see it playing out:
- Boris has to ask for an extension
- An election is called
- I think the Tory’s and Brexit part will win enough seats to get a majority in parliament for a no deal. IMO The opposition are all over the place on Brexit to gain enough votes to win a majority.
- The EU “may†offer some better deal to Boris at this point.
- I’d say it’s 50/50 if Boris will accept it
- if Boris does accept, we go out with a deal (still a hard brexit)
- if Boris doesn’t accept we go out with a no deal. Boris has backed himself into a corner and has to take us out without a deal if he gets a parliamentary majority for it.
Worrying times imo.
The only reason we are this fucking is because the fucking tories were frightened of losing seats to UKIP. Now we have the Brexit party. I mean FFS how stupid are people?
Looking like Boris is offering up NI to get the deal done.
25 quid gets you norn iron or pay 20 and you can have stevie as well
Quote from: Hesperus on October 12, 2019, 09:43:48
Looking like Boris is offering up NI to get the deal done.
should not be any deal
Yep, we should just stay in.
Quote from: goat on October 12, 2019, 10:55:40
25 quid gets you norn iron or pay 20 and you can have stevie as well
:D Stevie not for sale , the lights are on but nobody home
no matter what the outcome of Brexit there will be one side in N Iron that will not agree , more trouble looming
To be fair though they don't agree on much. At the moment they can't even agree to even have an Assembly sitting! That Boris suggests that the Assemby that doesnt sit should have the final say on whether an agreement is implemented or not is just plain crazy. Then you've got the fact it basically gives the DUP and Sinn Fein both a veto. Which means they both have to agree....
As idiotic ideas go it is a cracker.
I blame the Romans.
Anyone seen #brexitcast ? Laura looks like a right old hag.