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Started by KunDB, August 10, 2019, 11:56:20

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gavin

If you need to get a ruler, a protractor and a set square out to prove that its offside then the benefit should just be given to the attacker to keep the game running. They need to be able to look at it and just be able to say its offside. Those lines look dodgy. This isn't what it was brought in for. It is re-refereeing by fractions and wrong.

The ball over the line is a line call - there is a line there and the ball has to go all the way over. Offside is about trying to stop attackers gain advantage. VAR for offsides doesn't need to be to the millimeter. It needs to stop clear fuck ups. If they're going to do it to those fine margins then eventually they will get it wrong by a fine margin.

Again, we have a goal disallowed when the players are waiting to kick off. Its ruining the game as a spectator sport at the ground for me.

Rowley Birkin QC

Well said Gavin. It's bad enough watching on TV, but supporters in the stands must be bewildered at times. (Presumably they only get one brief look the 'decision shot' on the big screens?). Sooner or later I predict there will be a massive injustice perpetrated with this. 

Rowley Birkin QC

Quote from: KunDB on August 10, 2019, 16:28:19
The reality is the displayed lines in that photo are not the actual lines being used to make the decision, they are just a graphical display for fans. The actual decision is computer generated.

So the final picture we are shown is essentially a computer generated interpretation of reality, based on algorithms we are expected to trust, rather than proper optics. Or to put it another way - the image is faked!

KunDB

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Apparently so, with the algorithm the actual lines use are so super fine they cannot be seen properly by us.

The clear and obvious rule does not apply to offside as offside is 'black or white' either offside or not offside no grey area. Well that is what they say, I disagree, because offside is not at all clear e.g. an arm cannot be offside but a shoulder or body can.

How can we trust the technology and human beings interpreting that not to screw up, they simply, inevitably will sooner or later but there will be no means for us to know they have and therefore no challenge against that. Ridiculous.

Common sense says that a margin of error (not clear and obvious) should be built in which would mean any marginal decisions such as yesterday being given in favour of the attacking player.

bry the guy

with the rags and Liverpoo the only two clubs without big screens in the stadiums can it be fiddled with?

Gareth

Quote from: bry the guy on August 12, 2019, 00:13:42
with the rags and Liverpoo the only two clubs without big screens in the stadiums can it be fiddled with?


Yes, I wondered about that too. Will the images from VAR decisions at OT and Anfield be made widely available (to MoTD for example)? Or have the Rags and Dippers been granted secrecy?

KunDB

Of course it can and will be subject to human intervention.

I read
“Replays showed how it all depended as to what point the VAR measurements were taken. The recording system works at 25 frames per second and at the moment the pass was played to Sterling amounted to something like 5 frames of action. In 4 of those frames Sterling was onside and only offside in the 5th. Clearly the VAR referee had used that one frame to decide.”

https://mancitysquare.com/2019/08/12/manchester-city-var-ruining-football-together/